Well ya, it would have if I was locked up. That pic is decieving, that hill was REALLY steep. And right were im stoped at in the pic, it bends to the right hard and drops in a big hole. I kept free wheeling and ultimatly was just frustrated with the damn obsticale so I let WARN fix my problem.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />