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#1005483 - 08/08/10 06:23 PM Brake cleaner and welding-Safety alert  
OOP'S  Offline
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To everyone that uses brake cleaner and welds, please read this. It could save your life and those around you,

http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

Last edited by kewlynx; 12/10/10 06:57 AM.

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#1005484 - 08/10/10 01:15 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: OOP'S]  
Bent_85  Offline
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada
This is good to know.
Thanks for posting this info!


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#1005485 - 08/10/10 01:21 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: Bent_85]  
sasnydley  Offline
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Very interesting. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


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#1005486 - 08/10/10 01:31 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: sasnydley]  
fasteddy  Offline
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You can also get chronic bronchitis from burning vinyl floor tile, which is where I got into it. Paid my way thru undergrad school...


Not responsible for advice not taken...

#1005487 - 08/10/10 06:24 PM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: fasteddy]  
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PHOSGENE!?!? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

That guy is really lucky even to be alive. That is nasty, nasty stuff <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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#1005488 - 08/11/10 01:55 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: OOP'S]  
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#1005489 - 08/16/10 03:32 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: kewlynx]  
toyrunner  Offline
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Phosgene is also called mustard gas.
Burning refrigerant will produce this also.


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#1005490 - 08/16/10 04:36 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: toyrunner]  
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Tri-cholethelyne is a similar cleaning agent. Navy banned it for shipboard use in the early '70s due to health hazards.

Remember the early Teflon non-stick pan coatings?? And, the special tools needed when cooking with Teflon pans??

When burned, the early Teflon coatings did create phosgene gas.


#1005491 - 08/16/10 06:08 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: 4x4Wire]  
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Quote
Tri-cholethelyne is a similar cleaning agent. Navy banned it for shipboard use in the early '70s due to health hazards.

Remember the early Teflon non-stick pan coatings?? And, the special tools needed when cooking with Teflon pans??

When burned, the early Teflon coatings did create phosgene gas.


They still will create a gas thats very similar to phosgene. Normal cooking temps with teflon can / will kill your pet birds.


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#1005492 - 08/17/10 04:25 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: Kevin C]  
fasteddy  Offline
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trichlorethylene disolves the fat in your body, including some fat you really need, and you die...

Phosgene and mustard gas are two entirely different things, both very nasty...


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#1005493 - 08/17/10 11:59 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: OOP'S]  
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Maple Falls, Washington
I weld aluminum (w/ argon) and grind it every day. Our shop goes through brake cleaner sometimes at a rate of many cases/day.

I have changed my personal practices! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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#1005494 - 08/17/10 05:28 PM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: toyrunner]  
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Quote
Phosgene is also called mustard gas.
Burning refrigerant will produce this also.


Not to be a smart- <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />, but just as a point of clarification... phosgene and mustard gas are not the same and have different effects on the body.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/weaponry/gas.htm Scroll about 2/3 of the way down for a brief description of the two <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

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#1005495 - 08/17/10 06:40 PM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: OOP'S]  
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Hey OOp's, Thank you for this. I use Carb cleaner for pre weld rinsing also. I am sure I have used Brake cleaner too but I do stick to cheap carb cleaner that is Toluene and Acetone.
The brake cleaner I have used was either a different formulation or else I was plain old lucky.

The article from mister Brew Dude opens my eyes for sure.


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#1005496 - 08/19/10 08:42 PM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: OldColt]  
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At my shop we were being sold a bunch of stuff from an industrial supplier and after reading this i went through it all and canceled a lot of stocked items due to their reactions with welding/burning. I couldn't believe that they were even putting some of these chemicals in a weld shop, it's funny when the new guy in the shop changes the way things have been done for the past 10 years. This hasn't been the first thing either, I've been tearing that place down and making it a proper weld shop and it's come a long way in the 10 months i've been there. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


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#1005497 - 08/20/10 02:15 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: TOASTY]  
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Yeah, I guess MSDS's look too much like garbly-[censored] at first glance, but there's a LOT of information to be had; this is also a VERY good topic for a safety meeting if you hold them now and again.

From this former hazwoper.


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#1005498 - 12/11/10 02:58 AM Re: Brake ckeaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: kewlynx]  
Macka  Offline

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fired this through company lines. We had a noob chlorine gas himself in another incident. He was cleaning a toilet on a rail car and mixed 3 cleaners thinking it would do the job faster.


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#1005499 - 08/10/11 08:11 AM Re: Brake cleaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: OOP'S]  
GeraldFritz  Offline

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Posts: 12
South Africa
I am amazed that people are allowed to use these kinds of ingredients!
And the warning labels are generally really little and hidden between the rest of the labeling so you can not really see it unless you look for it!!!


#1005500 - 11/05/12 07:34 PM Re: Brake cleaner and welding-Safety alert [Re: OOP'S]  
joshty  Offline

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CA,USA
Thanks for sharing this info. It is really helpful.


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