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Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer #1011502 10/23/10 12:44 AM
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Well, here's my latest hair-brained idea in a somewhat convoluted story.

I purchased a nice M416 from a fella in MN and brought it back to CA. I've been thinking about what to do with it and using it for hauling stuff around. I purchased some Thule false gutter mounts to mount to the inside of the rail and was going to find a way to clamp my Yakima bars to it for carrying my kayaks in their cradles. A couple of days ago, however, I pulled the roof rack off of the FJ60 since I don't need it for daily driving duty (and it was further killing my non-existent gas mileage), and I temporarily set the rack down on the trailer. Low and behold, I found that I could actually mount the rack to the trailer, using the false gutters, if I turned the feet around 180 degrees.

Today, I wanted to pull my FJ60 into the garage enough to change the oil and couldn't because I was tripping over my kayaks sitting on the floor. So, I decided it was time to mock up the rack and yaks so I could roll them in and out of the garage. Here's the initial fit. I only have the one picture, but there will be more once I mount the gutters and secure the rack to the trailer. I hope to make a little progress on this over the weekend.

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I'll use this thread to document what I do to this trailer.


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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: Oyaji_Jon] #1011503 10/23/10 04:00 AM
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judging from the way that rack fits, it looks like you had this planned from the beginning.
thanks for starting this build thread- i look forward to updates.
i've been seeing some nice trailers out on the trails this season.


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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: rascott] #1011504 10/23/10 05:12 AM
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Thanks for the reply, Richard. My initial plans are to mount the gutters and attach the rack. The thing I really like about this idea, over a solid top, is that I can pull that rack off by loosening 16 nuts. Relatively quick and easy, and I'll have full access to an open top trailer for big items.

Once I have the holes drilled for the gutters, I'm thinking I may disassemble the trailer to send the tub and frame off to get media blasted. There are some very innovative bed liners these days that won't take you knuckle off when you scrape across it, and I plan to investigate a couple before I get the bed sprayed. The first step after sand blasting, though, will be to spray the whole thing in rattle can drab green to keep future preservation simple. No frills for this one...


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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: Oyaji_Jon] #1011505 10/23/10 07:11 AM
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What is the overhang of the kayaks over the trailer tongue???


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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: 4x4Wire] #1011506 10/23/10 08:34 AM
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John, since this was just a mock up, I didn't concern myself too much with the tongue. However, I did look at it and realize I'll have to make some adjustments to the width of the bow end of the cradles so that I can move the kayaks to the rear a bit. That will cause the 14' yak to hang off the rear considerably, though. So, I think the solution will be to fab up an extended lunette for when I want to carry the yaks. That will also make towing manners of this short trailer a little better. The nice part about the M416 is that the lunette is a slide-in/bolt-in piece, so interchanging between the short and long ones will be easy.

A bit more than an answer to your question...I've been thinking about this for a bit.


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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: Oyaji_Jon] #1011507 10/24/10 08:45 PM
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It is an interesting idea. I was curious about the length from the aspect of how close the kayak would come to the back of the tow vehicle.

And, there is a Cal DMV ruling about objects extending past the end of trailer/vehicle needing a light or warning flag. I believe teh distance is 24 inches.

In your planning, I would consider a lockable storage box in the bed of the trailer.


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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: 4x4Wire] #1011508 10/25/10 02:44 AM
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I kind of thought that's why you were asking. Thanks for the insight. I see A LOT of people carrying wood around here with nothing but a little orange or red string hanging off the back. I'll probably get one of those little battery powered red, flashing bike lights to tie to the rear of the long yak. I'm pretty excited to look into the extended lunette and will post updates as this thing moves along.

I'm thinking the lockable storage box will be on the tongue, but we'll see. I want it to be water proof and big enough to carry tarps, straps, disassembled paddles and other stuff.

I'm also exploring ways to put a tailgate into this thing, but I haven't sold myself on cutting into this perfectly good, and non-perforated, tub. They aren't making new ones, you know. At any rate, this trailer should round out the utility themed off road package I've been working on pretty well.

Last edited by Oyaji_Jon; 10/25/10 07:35 AM.

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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: Oyaji_Jon] #1011509 10/25/10 06:43 AM
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Tongue storage boxes I have seen are not all that big.

The flashing light should satisfy the CHP...

I have a friend that cut the back of his trailer. You will need to gusset the sides. He used c-channel on the sides and as a bottom runner. His tailgate was a drop-in fit.

I have also seen one that used hinges for a drop-down fit.

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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: Oyaji_Jon] #1011510 10/26/10 08:06 AM
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Yeah, I was wondering about bashing the back of your rig with the kayaks too.

I'd consider reserving the tongue area for mounting a spare tire if you find one for it.

At the very least when considering your tailgate clearance, include that spare tire width for later.

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Re: Oyaji's Multi-purpose Utility Trailer [Re: kewlynx] #1011511 10/26/10 06:58 PM
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i think you would have chp problems with a flashing red light.
if i remember right, max overhang of a load is 2/3 the wheel base past the last structural member of the bed on a truck.
not sure how that applies to a single axle trailer. mabe from the pin to the axle?
that is ancient info(from old class 1 and older memory bank).
best look at the regs......

note: i found this-
The load on any single vehicle may not extend to the rear, beyond the last point of support, more than two-thirds the length of the wheel base of the vehicle. On a semitrailer, the wheelbase extends from the center of the last axle of the towing vehicle to the center of the last axle on the semitrailer.
mabe talk to a chp, i'll bet the rule is applicable?

also:
Lights (or flags) on projecting loads. When the load on any vehicle extends four feet or more beyond the rear of the body, a solid red or fluorescent orange flag at least 12 inches square must be placed at the extreme end of the load. If the vehicle is operated during darkness,there must be two lighted red lights at the end of the load visible at a distance of 500 feet to the side and rear of the vehicle. (VC 24604)

Last edited by rascott; 10/29/10 03:05 PM.

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