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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: FrankR] #1026974 04/23/11 03:27 AM
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How about a bunch of slip and falls at the Westboro Baptist Church? In the handicap entrance. Where they have an extraordinary duty to maintain tractive surfaces. This one has the beauy of potentially taking away the money that funds the WBC's travel to spew their hate.


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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: fasteddy] #1026975 04/23/11 03:33 AM
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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: hazy_daze] #1026976 04/24/11 07:42 PM
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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: jagerMR] #1026977 04/29/11 08:31 AM
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I'm sorry, but I'm gonna be the odd man out. I see nothing to be proud of here. I think its UnAmerican its insulting to the soldiers that died to prevent this very thing from happening.

I canít believe folks don't get how wrong this all is.

Beating up a man over political views? His political speech? Doesn't that ring a bell to anyone? Like say, the Soviet Union? Nazi Germany? China?

There are lots of people who views greatly offend me, including the Westboro nuts, but I would NEVER, dream of beating someone for their political views of all things. And that includes cheering on people who did.

As for as the folks who refused to talk to the cops, I wouldn't be surprised if at least one person in that crowd had a consious and desperately wanted to talk to the cops, but was in fear for their lives? This was a mob and if a mob is willing to beat up people over their speech, they could be just as willing to beat up a perfectly innocent person who dared to talked. Just digusting.

But its the actions of the government officials that are the real problem. Using government power to not only illegally quell free speech, but to bully and ultimately deprive people of their liberty over their political views goes against everything our constitution stands for and everything that soldier swore an oath too and ultimately died for.

The Constitution was specifically written to protect citizens from the abuses and oppression of the government. EXACTLY what happened here is EXACTLY why the Constitution was written and what it is suppose to defend us from.

To use government vehicles to oppress people and block their cars in just because they had the same state license plates as the people you politically oppose? Even if they had the moral right to block only the actual Westboro protesters, which they did not, what about the poor innocent people who may have just happen to have been from Kansas but were perfectly innocent?

But worst of all, the illegal arrest and detention of innocent people by bullying cops? over what? THEIR POLITICAL VIEWS???

It never ceases to amaze me what otherwise very honorable and reasonable people are willing to do and put with up in support of their view point or opposing someone elseís, never realizing that one day, the roles could easily be reversed.

I donít like the Westboro idiots one single bit more than anyone else. The moment the idiots stepped on private property uninvited, I would condone any action necessary to legally remove them. And I do mean legally. Obviously if they are trespassing, then arrest them. If they are committing a real crime and the police would otherwise arrest anyone else, then by God, arrest them. I have no problem with any of that.

But if what I read was true, the people here were nothing more than Soviet like thugs, oppressing political viewpoints they disagree with.

Iím sure they are well meaning people. Our history is full of well meaning thugs who strung up people they didnít agree with.

Good people do bad things all the time, because they think what they were doing was right. That the ends justified the means. But it doesn't. Not even in this case.

Please reconsider your position on what happened here. The future of our country and constitution depends on it.

IMO.


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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: Brian894X4] #1026978 05/01/11 07:42 PM
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C'mon Brian...you have to draw a line somewhere too. Imagine you lost a kid then some f-tards parade around your house with signs saying unspeakable things about your kid. Free speech means you can say things but the whole protesting with signs is criminal harassment and stalking IMO.

You kow its funny....For all the crap us Californians get for being whackos I think the "bible belt" has us beat by far. We have hairy chicks chaining themselves to trees, Hippies getting arrested for protesting nukes/or whatever and the occasional cross dressing train-wreck but Those Westboro cult members make our whackos look like heroes. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: cmonty72] #1026979 05/01/11 10:45 PM
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Chris, now you remember what your mommy-brother said: "Bad rhetoric makes folks fell empowered, bold."

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Seriously, guys...the referenced news article did not mention that state/federal/or other government vehicles were used to block in the supposed enemy, it said that they were blocked by vehicles with a certain state license plate.

This whole deal is a smaller piece in a larger puzzle. Observe the general discord throughout certain geographic areas - north Africa, Rome, the Vatican - and anywhere else there are political systems.

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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: rxinhed] #1026980 05/02/11 02:14 AM
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The article (which is really just some guy's blog) mentions Rankin County Pickup trucks, so I assume those are local government vehicles. But that incident pales into comparison to beating someone up over their political views and the illegal arrest and detention by the cops. Assuming that all actually happened. If a mob beats someone up, of course nobody is going to report who the criminals were for fear of their own mob retribution. How do we really know the guy was a Westboro guy who was going to protest anyway? If everything I read was true, I'd best anyone with the wrong license plate had a lot to fear in that town, no matter how innocent they were. And that's nothing to be proud of.

I understand why you guys are thinking the way you are and I'm not saying your evil for it, but I think you're looking at this all wrong by condoning it. A few years ago, Iíd be right there with you blindly supporting the whole end justifies the means thing. But not anymore. I'm come to realize that there are things far more important to defend than even offending people and that's our civil rights and our Constitution. If we give that up, there is no America to defend.

I know the family would otherwise have to suffer through the additional emotional pain because of the provocation of those idiots. It provokes an extreme emotional response, which is EXACTLY why they do what they do. The larger the response, the more powerful they get, due to additional media attention, which is one unfortunate by-product of reacting this way to them.

The government simply cannot get involved unless they act legally and fairly and that means government officials and especially police officers. It goes against everything this country was founded on.

If the public as citizens want to protest against the protesters by forming a peaceful human chain around funeral and peacefully preventing the protesters from attending the funeral, not by force or intimidation, but by simply blocking their access to the funeral, as opposed to kidnapping them and forcing them to stay somewhere during the duration, Iíd have no problem with that.

There are ways to handle this situation, both legally and morally without violating the constitution and peopleís civil rights. Especially innocent people who may be mistaken for Westboro people, but arenít.

Even if you think these people have no rights or that the constitution doesnít matter or that ends really does justify the means, how can you argue the fact that innocent people could have been swallowed up by this mob mentality and either beaten, falsely arrested or blocked in, since the people involved were clearly emotional and targeting people based on things like their license plates and not be recognized as being local.

Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: Brian894X4] #1026981 05/04/11 12:44 AM
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Noone's freedom of speech was obstructed. The guy at the gas station had the opportunity to keep his mouth shut before toting said asswhooping. People in POV's blocked other people's POV's in motel parking lots with Kansas plates. I see nothing wrong with this.

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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: hazy_daze] #1026982 05/04/11 10:27 AM
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Noone's freedom of speech was obstructed. The guy at the gas station had the opportunity to keep his mouth shut before toting said asswhooping. People in POV's blocked other people's POV's in motel parking lots with Kansas plates. I see nothing wrong with this.

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Bold are direct quotes from the post that this thread is all about:

A couple of days before, one of them (Westboro protestors) ran his mouth at a Brandon gas station and got his arse waxed. Police were called and the beaten man could not give much of a description of who beat him. When they canvassed the station and spoke to the large crowd that had gathered around, no one seemed to remember anything about what had happened.

We have no details as to what the guy said that caused the beating. But if a crowd starts whooping on someone, most witnesses are going to be too scared to point out who the criminals were, whether the guy deserved it or not. IMO, nobody deserves getting beaten, unless they are a threat to someone else. If the guy was disturbing the peace, the police can take action if needed and the gas station owner had the right to tell the guy to leave. If he refused, he'd be trespassing. All legitimate ways to handle the situation.

Most of the morons never made it out of their hotel parking lot. It seems that certain Rankin county pickup trucks were parked directly behind any car that had Kansas plates in the hotel parking lot and the drivers mysteriously disappeared until after the funeral was over. Police were called but their wrecker service was running behind and it was going to be a few hours before they could tow the trucks so the Kansas plated cars could get out.

The post said, Rankin County pick up trucks. I read this as county government vehicles. And the police were apparently in no hurry to help. But the really disturbing part is that ANYONE with Kansas plates were victimized. It didn't matter whether they were Westboro people or not. So now we're oppressing people based on what state they came from. I don't know what "the drivers disappeared" means, whether they were kidnapped by the locals or just ran scared, so I just left that one alone.

A few made it to the funeral but were ushered away to be questioned about a crime they might have possibly been involved in. Turns out, after a few hours of questioning, that they were not involved and they were allowed to go on about their business.

People being illegally detained over their political views by the police? Very few things are more anti-American than this. I imagine you would agree, if, for example, you were hauled away in a liberal city because the local police thought that you might be a problem for the anti-war protesters or a similiar type situation.

This isn't just about whether the westboro idiots should have the right to free speech. That's a minor point here and I probably wouldn't have bothered to comment if it was only their speech that was restricted. In this case, they were attacked and beaten over their political and religious views and they were not allowed to leave in their vehicles from the hotel and the police illegally detained them.

But, again, the really scary part to me was that the targeted victims extended BEYOND the westboro people, to anyone from the same state.

IMO, it's both easy and cowardly to beat up, detain, intimidate and oppress people who you disagree with, especially when you have the power of popular opinion and the government behind you. Nevermind the innocent people that get caught up and harmed in the resulting mob oppression.

I believe a true patriot is someone who will defend the rights of all people, so that all people will forever have those rights in the future. Obviously in this case, that's a very tough thing to do. Just like with skinheads and neo-nazis. But it's the price we pay for being the freest country on the planet...and by a wide margine. At least, for now.

I appologize if I've offended anyone by hi-jacking this thread and raining on the parade of the original poster. This is a private board and opinions, including mine are only a privelage, not a right to post. So, I will stop here and drop my arguments. I've made my case. If you still disagree, that's perfectly OK with me. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Our Run in with the Westboro "church" folks. [Re: Brian894X4] #1026983 05/04/11 02:25 PM
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If their words weren't stirring up sh!t in the middle east, people would let them have their free speech. However, when what they say puts our troops in danger (all "western" countries) then they cross a line. Burning f-ing korans... stupid idiots. How many americans would be up in arms if they did a good ole' bible burning?

It's fuel to the fire, it's like they want to piss everyone off.


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