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Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? #1041117 01/31/12 05:39 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
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Peabody Offline OP
Mudrunner
I've been looking for a source that will sell and ship the Track Finder diff lock to the Sporty-blokes in the U.S. I finally found an eBay seller who says he can get the part and will ship it to the States. This arrangement is still a work-in-progress. But I believe there's a strong-probability that the seller can deliver the goods. That said, I'm trying to work out a volume-pricing deal to get the price down. As it stands, I'm looking at just over $600 per unit. Yes, I know that sounds high. But if you wan't a solid-means for locking up your rear diff without swapping out the Kia axle for a non-Kia assembly and upgrading that diff with a locker, then I think the Track Finder locker is the most cost-effective way to do it... and we know the Track Finder locker works. I've been pricing out other options, like having a custom ring gear mounting flange prototyped for my other OBX diff (you know, the one that fits the front axle, but not the rear <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />)... or getting a custom locking diff from Kaiser (they don't make them for the Sporty's rear axle, only the front). Both of those options will easily-exceed $700 <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> (though you can get an Eaton clutch-type LSD on eBay for $600... But I'm not keen on a clutch-LSD for serious trail runs <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />). So, in my eyes, Track Finder is the best lesser-of-evils-guaranteed-to-work solution.

If you are SERIOUSLY interested, let me know on this thread. My plan is to get a number of realistically-interested buyers to take to the seller, use that to establish a more-reasonable price per unit, then get the seller to make the parts available through eBay (I like the idea of buyer-protection, in this situation).

OK - Who's buyin'??? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: Peabody] #1041118 01/31/12 12:19 PM
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freddiespyker Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
I STAY IN SOUTH AFRICA AND I THINK IT IS GONNE BE MMMMMMMMMMMA BID PRICY

Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: freddiespyker] #1041119 01/31/12 12:43 PM
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4runnernomore Offline
Mudrunner
Consider the other options and you will find it might be not so bad and where else can you get one from.

Korea or Brazil.


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter,chipped, ext forks, 40mm Dob Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Locker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, extractors & 2 1/4 exhaust engineered.
Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: 4runnernomore] #1041120 01/31/12 01:44 PM
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2002_Sporty Offline
Mudrunner
I think that the e-bay method looks like the best way for me to get a unit also. I have the bill me later method that might work for a portion of the purchase also. Appreciate you looking into the matter and hope all works out for the best. Keep us posted.


2002 4dr Kia Sportage 4X4
Tires:235/75/15, Wheels: Black 15x8 Steel ProComp 2.5" B.S., Hubs:Warn Manual, Lift:3" UPYOURKIA, Trailer Hitch, Cargo Rack, Clinometer.
Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: 2002_Sporty] #1041121 02/02/12 06:07 AM
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Peabody Offline OP
Mudrunner
I just contacted the seller to verify which versions of the locker are available (26 and/or 28 spline). I'm also trying to get the part for $600 plus shipping, which I think is fair. He can't get the part at a wholesale price. So I think he has to buy it for the market price of 460,000 won ($411 USD). In my eyes, I think $600 gives him a decent markup, considering he is only flipping and shipping the part. Also, I checked the cost of U.S. import duties on a $600 automotive part...


Total customs value: US$600.00
- Duty: US$15.00
- Merchandize Processing Fee: US$2.00
- Internal Revenue Tax: US$0.00
Total import duty & taxes due: US$17.00
Total landed cost: US$617.00

That's nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" />

I'll keep y'all posted on the progress...

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: Peabody] #1041122 02/02/12 07:06 PM
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hadtomer Offline
Wheeler
worth every penny !!!!!! i can definately divide my life with the sporty to 2 parts: before the diff lock - and after. after is better....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMsx...0c2014ADOEgsToPDskJ46lQfv_U7IZXLNdmA7QfM

from 0:04 to 0:10 seconds you can see the diff lock work and you can hear the raer tires both spinning and fighting for traction. after that - from 1:40 minutes to the end of the video u can see how easy it is to climb with the rear diff locked.


http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...674150901&type=2&theater

Last edited by hadtomer; 02/02/12 07:22 PM.

2001 sporty. 4 inch lift+ body lift-front lovlells coils+extended forks. reat tj. monroe shocks. full skid plate, auxilary fan. external oil cooler. maxxis 8060 235/75 R15 tires on american racing wheels. trackfinder rear diff lock.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3948684/2001-kia-sportage
Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: hadtomer] #1041123 02/19/12 03:35 AM
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Peabody Offline OP
Mudrunner
OK - I have rounded up and slaughtered by piggy banks and sent a payment of $600 USD for the Track Finder locker via PayPal. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> That price includes shipping to the U.S. So now it's a matter of wait-and-see... nervously. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />

FYI - I am getting the 28-spline locker because the 26-spline units for the rear axle are not available. The seller did note that the front locker is also available for the '98-'05 models, which I suspect will fit the front diff on the '95-'97 models. I already have the 28-spline axles and differential. So I'm hoping the part will arrive, that it will be the correct part and that the install goes smoothly. I will keep you posted on the progress...

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: Peabody] #1041124 02/21/12 05:20 AM
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Posts: 326
Peabody Offline OP
Mudrunner
Here's an update on the status of my purchase...

I received a message from the seller (middle-man) saying that MasterJeep.com won't sell the Track Finder locker as a part. They will only sell it assembled in a carrier (with bearings) because they say it is very difficult to install correctly. So $600 won't cover the cost. Adding in the labor from MasterJeep, the additional cost of shipping and a $70 fee from the seller for facilitating the deal, the final cost will be $894 USD. If I had another option, I think I'd take the refund offered by the seller. But I want a reliable locker in my Sporty. And if I account for the cost of having the locker setup here in the U.S., to include the possibility of needing additional parts (like new thrust washers), I think the end-cost would be comparable. So I'm going to say "WTF" and pay the additional cost.

Yep, I might be crazy... or just desperate. But Summer is coming and I want to play. And that requires my Sporty to be ready to do some serious 4wheelin. I've had the rig for almost 1 year and have yet to hit the trail because I've been modding it to meet my needs (and desires). However, I don't want this to be a "perma-project". I really just want a reliable and capable trail runner. The rear locker should be my endpoint for major mods. Anything after that will be minor tweaks. That said, I will continue to keep you posted on the status of the rear locker...

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: Peabody] #1041125 02/21/12 07:43 PM
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hadtomer Offline
Wheeler
Quote
Here's an update on the status of my purchase...

I received a message from the seller (middle-man) saying that MasterJeep.com won't sell the Track Finder locker as a part. They will only sell it assembled in a carrier (with bearings) because they say it is very difficult to install correctly.


That, my friend, is pure BS. had the same sob story when i bought my diff lock. the trackfinder guys said that they will not sell it if its not in a carrier-cause its real hard to install. yeah right.....as you can see from when i posted the album - installing it is a piece of cake. my guy called them and soon enough - they were willing to sell it without the carrier. im really sorry for you-but thats no way to treat a paying customer. 600$ is a whole lot of money and i think its not fair. besides- have you seen the pics on my album?? the diff lock comes in a box the size of a cigarette pack. the carrier - well - its big! its probably expensive to ship too. not fair, i must say.

Last edited by hadtomer; 02/21/12 07:45 PM.

2001 sporty. 4 inch lift+ body lift-front lovlells coils+extended forks. reat tj. monroe shocks. full skid plate, auxilary fan. external oil cooler. maxxis 8060 235/75 R15 tires on american racing wheels. trackfinder rear diff lock.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3948684/2001-kia-sportage
Re: Anyone in the U.S. want to buy a Track Finder diff lock??? [Re: hadtomer] #1041126 02/22/12 03:24 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 326
Peabody Offline OP
Mudrunner
Yeah, I agree that it's BS. I have watched your installation video and looked over your photos many, many times. It isn't that difficult.

I have to admit that acquiring a locker for the rear has been frustrating, to say the least. And if I had another option that would perform similarly to the Track Finder at a comparable price, I'd go for it. I have looked at the ARB locker for Suzuki Sidekick (based on Kia74's thread). But the air locker alone is over $1000 USD. And that's not a simple, drop-in option, from what I've gathered, because the bearings don't appear to fit the Sporty's rear pumpkin. Then there's the cost of the compressor setup. And what happens if you lose air in the sticks? No more locker??? That solution isn't one I want to pursue.

Kaiser's locker seems like another good option. But they don't have any in-stock. And they only make lockers for the front diff. So getting them to prototype a unit adapted for the rear, simple as it would be, would take a long time to get done - if they would do it at all. And there again, the price for the Kaiser front locker is over $700 USD (add in shipping 15 Kg from Brazil and import costs). When that's all said and done, will it be less than the $894 I'm now paying for the Track Finder pre-assembled in a carrier? I think it would cost the same amount, at least.

In my opinion, the Track Finder locker is the only reliable traction-solution for the rear axle, aside from the Eaton clutch-type LSD (which is the same as the Kia LSD - Eaton made them OEM for Kia). But you (Hadtomer) had one in your Sporty prior to the Track Finder. It just doesn't compare to a locker. And the Eaton LSDs are still selling for $600 USD. For me, that's the solution of last resort.

To sum it up, I'm not happy with paying the extra $$$ for the Track Finder. The only "benefit" is that it will come setup and ready to load in the housing. But after weighing the costs in time and $$$ for the other "options", going with the Track Finder at the "new and improved" price is still "reasonable", as painful as it is proving to be... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
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