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Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. #1041705 02/09/12 11:40 AM
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Who wants to talk lockers ATTENTION PEABODY.your ears will be pricked <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: kia74] #1041706 02/09/12 12:37 PM
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Sportage Lockers are a dream for most of us and a gift for a select few that have the knowlege of foreign speech.

No one to date has been able to produce a simple point of origin for purchase; beyond helping themselves.

If you have knowlege on this matter, please share.


2002 4dr Kia Sportage 4X4
Tires:235/75/15, Wheels: Black 15x8 Steel ProComp 2.5" B.S., Hubs:Warn Manual, Lift:3" UPYOURKIA, Trailer Hitch, Cargo Rack, Clinometer.
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: 2002_Sporty] #1041707 02/09/12 01:34 PM
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4runnernomore Offline
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Kaiser lockers from Brazil <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />They make a front locker. For the Aussies combined with the rear limited slip should make a fantastic combination. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I recieved mine just before Christmas <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />

It is in a previous thread. They should still have four avaialble for immediate shipping as they made five. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

The offer was there for all to jump onboard however no one took it up. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

I have been trying to contact Korea again for the RIng and Pinions however no reply. Should have got them earlier when communication was going through. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter,chipped, ext forks, 40mm Dob Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Locker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, extractors & 2 1/4 exhaust engineered.
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: 4runnernomore] #1041708 02/09/12 09:34 PM
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Last I knew, you had received it and were going to post pictures, but you were sick with the flu. I don't recall seeing anything after that. Did you get it installed? Pics? Does it work well?


01 Convertible; Electric Fan; 3" Up Your Kia lift spacers; Tj 104's; 31x10.5x15's on Centerlines; Rear LSD.
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Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: 4runnernomore] #1041709 02/09/12 11:13 PM
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well looks like we have a few intersted.
ok first of all mine name is Nick and have been building this care for two years.What we need to sort out is the correct definition of the word (locker).A locker is only a traction aid period.Dose not matter what it is called but it is not a %100 locked diff.If you do not agree with what i said i an sorry but dont chim in on this thread.I hate lockers period.Now a DIFF LOCK is what i want people to talk about, were it %100 locked buy a flick of a switch or when you the driver want it locked.Now your saying this is crap no aviliable part.Well there is not, so like all the other stuff i have made for this car including crawler gears lets make one. Are we still interested.Remember if your a fan of the LOCKER,LSD ECT do not chime in. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: 2002_Sporty] #1041710 02/09/12 11:19 PM
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These are (LOCKERS a traction device) not a diff lock. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />






quote]Sportage Lockers are a dream for most of us and a gift for a select few that have the knowlege of foreign speech.

No one to date has been able to produce a simple point of origin for purchase; beyond helping themselves.

If you have knowlege on this matter, please share. [/quote]


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Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: kia74] #1041711 02/10/12 03:35 AM
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Peabody Offline
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Whoa! I feel something burning!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> Did someone mention "lockers"?!? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" />

Here are the options that I know of for the Sportage...

Front differential:

Any differential spec'd for the Mazda Miata ('94-05) and RX7 ('86-91, 2nd gen/non-turbo with the big axles - 26 splines X 27mm). This includes any Mazda or aftermarket differentials (Kaiser, Quaife, Kaiser (as noted) and the OBX Racing helical/torsen-type sold on eBay. They all use 7" ring gears. So they only work in the front - THEY WILL NOT WORK IN THE REAR AXLE!!!! So don't even bother trying... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />



Rear differential:

The options are very limited. You can go with a clutch-type LSD from a donor-Sportage or see if you can find one of the discontinued-LSDs from Eaton (check out eBay).

Kaiser does not make a locker for the rear axle. I had some dialogue with them on the topic, trying to get them to prototype a 7.5" ring gear mount (their diffs bolt the carrier ends onto a cylindrical housing, so it would only be a matter of replacing the 7" mounting flange). Unfortunately, they did not have any Kia lockers in stock and will not be producing them until they had 10 units pre-ordered. To sum it up, they weren't really interested.

The only other option, which I believe is the best if you're going to be 4-wheelin, is the Lock Right-style locker from Track Finder. Hadtomer has one in his ride and has posted some impressive demo videos of it in action. However, he lives in Israel and was able to source the part from South Korea. Nobody in the U.S. has one (that I know of). And nobody has had any luck communicating with the known-contacts in Israel, or South Korea, for that matter. I've been actively-working on solving that problem. I have found a seller on eBay that is based in South Korea. I have worked out a deal with him to buy the part for $600 USD. I'm just waiting for six Benjamins to accumulate in my pocket so I can execute the purchase. That should happen before the end of February. I will absolutely let everyone know how it works out (both the purchase-process and the install of the Track Finder locker, assuming the deal goes through without a hitch). Once I have the part, I will also pass on the contact info for the seller. I'm holding off on that because I don't want anyone to jump on it and get screwed ("Hey! You said this guy was reliable!!!" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />)... not because I want to be the first kid on my block with a rear locker.

Anyhoo, I know people are going to grumble at the thought of $600 USD for a locker that can be purchased in Korea for $410 USD, which is on-par with the price for a Lock Right-brand locker sold in the U.S. However, as stated before, nobody has been able to get one shipped into the U.S. And I'm willing to pay the extra $$$ to get the best-option differential for my rig. On that note, a new Eaton LSD sells for $599 USD on eBay and the Kaiser lockers for the front axle sell for over $700 USD. Kaiser is not an option for the rear diff. Also, clutch-LSDs require synthetic diff oil (not a major issue) and clutches wear out... and you can't find replacement clutch packs for them (major issue). You might find a used clutch-LSD on a donor-Sportage for less. But the clutch pack has miles on it. How many miles are left??? Who knows - but I sure as <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> don't want to find out on a remote trail... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> Yeah, so it's go big <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />... or go home... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: Peabody] #1041712 02/10/12 05:34 AM
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kia74 Offline OP
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UUUMMM somebody has jumped up ,mornen peabody, Even you are confused what is a locker and what is a diff lock.
Again a locker is somthing that could be engaged or could not be engaged who Knows it needs the right conditions to suit itself.We need to understand what we want to achive, a %100 lockup at the control of the driver.LOCK RIGHT is not a diff lock it is something you may need to get up your sandy drive way or keep you straight on a slippery road,it is a traction device and it is JUNK PERIOD. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mrt.gif" alt="" />This thread is for the people who want to put a diff lock in the rear of there g1 sportage,I have lots off info to share but i need the right people to chime in that way we work to the point and do not go off in a tangent.PEABODY you need to stay in this,your info is closer than you think <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />






[quo
te]Whoa! I feel something burning!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> Did someone mention "lockers"?!? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" />

Here are the options that I know of for the Sportage...

Front differential:

Any differential spec'd for the Mazda Miata ('94-05) and RX7 ('86-91, 2nd gen/non-turbo with the big axles - 26 splines X 27mm). This includes any Mazda or aftermarket differentials (Kaiser, Quaife, Kaiser (as noted) and the OBX Racing helical/torsen-type sold on eBay. They all use 7" ring gears. So they only work in the front - THEY WILL NOT WORK IN THE REAR AXLE!!!! So don't even bother trying... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />



Rear differential:

The options are very limited. You can go with a clutch-type LSD from a donor-Sportage or see if you can find one of the discontinued-LSDs from Eaton (check out eBay).

Kaiser does not make a locker for the rear axle. I had some dialogue with them on the topic, trying to get them to prototype a 7.5" ring gear mount (their diffs bolt the carrier ends onto a cylindrical housing, so it would only be a matter of replacing the 7" mounting flange). Unfortunately, they did not have any Kia lockers in stock and will not be producing them until they had 10 units pre-ordered. To sum it up, they weren't really interested.

The only other option, which I believe is the best if you're going to be 4-wheelin, is the Lock Right-style locker from Track Finder. Hadtomer has one in his ride and has posted some impressive demo videos of it in action. However, he lives in Israel and was able to source the part from South Korea. Nobody in the U.S. has one (that I know of). And nobody has had any luck communicating with the known-contacts in Israel, or South Korea, for that matter. I've been actively-working on solving that problem. I have found a seller on eBay that is based in South Korea. I have worked out a deal with him to buy the part for $600 USD. I'm just waiting for six Benjamins to accumulate in my pocket so I can execute the purchase. That should happen before the end of February. I will absolutely let everyone know how it works out (both the purchase-process and the install of the Track Finder locker, assuming the deal goes through without a hitch). Once I have the part, I will also pass on the contact info for the seller. I'm holding off on that because I don't want anyone to jump on it and get screwed ("Hey! You said this guy was reliable!!!" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />)... not because I want to be the first kid on my block with a rear locker.

Anyhoo, I know people are going to grumble at the thought of $600 USD for a locker that can be purchased in Korea for $410 USD, which is on-par with the price for a Lock Right-brand locker sold in the U.S. However, as stated before, nobody has been able to get one shipped into the U.S. And I'm willing to pay the extra $$$ to get the best-option differential for my rig. On that note, a new Eaton LSD sells for $599 USD on eBay and the Kaiser lockers for the front axle sell for over $700 USD. Kaiser is not an option for the rear diff. Also, clutch-LSDs require synthetic diff oil (not a major issue) and clutches wear out... and you can't find replacement clutch packs for them (major issue). You might find a used clutch-LSD on a donor-Sportage for less. But the clutch pack has miles on it. How many miles are left??? Who knows - but I sure as <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> don't want to find out on a remote trail... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> Yeah, so it's go big <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />... or go home... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> [/quote]


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Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: Dryver] #1041713 02/10/12 09:08 AM
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4runnernomore Offline
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Quote
Last I knew, you had received it and were going to post pictures, but you were sick with the flu. I don't recall seeing anything after that. Did you get it installed? Pics? Does it work well?


Been on a trip to America as well as a carribean cruise and only got back just under two weeks ago.

Tryin to resetablish contact with Korea so I can buy 5.3 R &P's before installing the locker.

I will take some photos and post them up this weekend.

Cheers, Chris <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter,chipped, ext forks, 40mm Dob Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Locker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, extractors & 2 1/4 exhaust engineered.
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: kia74] #1041714 02/10/12 09:23 AM
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4runnernomore Offline
Mudrunner
Hi Nick,

If you have information to improve the offroad ability of the Sporty please share with everyone. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

As I have found with the Koreans by the time you find out about something available the contact closes off usually before you can organise a purchase.

Your build sounds great can you start a thread and post up piccies and tech info on what you have done.

The only driver controlled difflock (air operated) that I know of was a guy from PRO TRACK in Greece. To the best of my knowledge no one was able to succesfully purchase from him.

I still have the link http://www.protrack.gr./

ADSKIA (Adam) tried to get one from him around 4 -5 years ago and gave up as it took way to long ( over 3 months).

Looking forward to your shared information.

Cheers, Chris <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter,chipped, ext forks, 40mm Dob Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Locker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, extractors & 2 1/4 exhaust engineered.
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