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Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: Peabody] #1041725 02/11/12 12:30 PM
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Mudrunner
My ears are pricked!!!
I love how all the information is coming out in this one thread. Thanks folks for putting it all together. Your the best.


2002 4dr Kia Sportage 4X4
Tires:235/75/15, Wheels: Black 15x8 Steel ProComp 2.5" B.S., Hubs:Warn Manual, Lift:3" UPYOURKIA, Trailer Hitch, Cargo Rack, Clinometer.
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Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: 2002_Sporty] #1041726 02/11/12 04:22 PM
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hadtomer Offline
Wheeler
DUDE....its not like no one knows how to get this stuff - you can read what mods i have on my rig in my signature.

I do not agree with anyone saying that mods for the sporty are hard to come by - I have anything you could possibly want on my rig - 5.38 gears, diff lock rear (still contemplating the front), lift coils, extended forks etc - and yes - they do not come cheap.

but come on guys....you all complain about how mods are hard to find - well - i live in Israel - if you open up a dictionary - under "sh##hole" - well - thats where i live - and yet i have been able to get all of this stuff for my kia. from a kia dealer!!!!! i WISH i were living in the states or in australia - so much more stuff i could do to my rig - and real cheap compared to what it costs here. but you guys.....you cant be serious......i have been a member here for several years and i remember several people who have kindly offered to get some lockers - well - talk is cheap - everyone wants a locker .....no one wants to pay.

you guys - you do not know what you are missing. a locker transforms your car!

so ok....offroad korea is no more - get creative! you can see on the pictures from my diff lock install - you can see the name of the company that makes the trackfinder lockers - woolong or something like that....aint that hard to locate them. we have sportage owners all over the world - from italy to alaska - and cant locate a company that exists and makes diff locks - this moment as we speak?

come on.....


2001 sporty. 4 inch lift+ body lift-front lovlells coils+extended forks. reat tj. monroe shocks. full skid plate, auxilary fan. external oil cooler. maxxis 8060 235/75 R15 tires on american racing wheels. trackfinder rear diff lock.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3948684/2001-kia-sportage
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: hadtomer] #1041727 02/11/12 05:08 PM
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kia74 Offline OP
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Well its 12.30am here just got back from a fishing trip and my two arb diff locks work fine in the orignal kia houseings but i supose no won wants to know the steps to put then in owell <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />


I love hammers
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: kia74] #1041728 02/11/12 07:56 PM
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Peabody Offline
Mudrunner
I guess I misunderstood something... didn't realize you already have ARB diff locks in your Sportage. Yes, I am interested to hear how you installed them using the stock differential housings. I think we are all interested.

I have tried to cross-reference other differentials that are of compatible-size with the Sporty's diff housings. All of the Sportages' differentials use the same carrier bearing (# 32008), which is also the same one used on the front-axle compatible differentials from the Mazda Miata and RX7. That was already known. And I haven't had any luck finding another differential using the same bearings. In the scope of things, there are a number of specifications that need to match, or be very close to the Sporty's stock diff's dimensions.

- end-to-end length (carrier bearings, flange-to-flange)
- carrier bearing specs (the outer cone/race diameter, at a minimum)
- the ring gear mounting flange (7" for the front, 7.5" in the rear)
- the position of the ring gear mounting flange, so that the backlash between ring and pinion can be properly set.
- Axle spline count and diameter...

I'm sure another diff can be modified to fit, along with the stock housing. But then you create a situation where getting it to work, and work properly is a "maybe" situation. And the cost of going that route can easily-exceed the cost of buying a locker or LSD that is a direct-fit.

That's the dilemma I have worked myself into with the OBX LSD. I thought would be a direct-fit in the rear axle, based on some posts I've read on this forum, only to find that the ring gear flange is too small for the 7.5" ring gear. I have looked into "making it work", to go as far as making a CAD drawing of the ring gear-half of the OBX casing modified with a 7.5"-compatible ring gear mount (which is the ONLY difference between the front and rear diffs on the Sporty, to include the 26 & 28-spline diffs in the rear - only the spider gear and axle spline counts and diameters were altered - nothing else). And what I have found that the cost of having that part fabricated will exceed the cost of a Track Finder locker.

That said, I'm very interested to hear how you were able to install ARB lockers in your Sportage...

Last edited by Peabody; 02/11/12 09:27 PM.
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: hadtomer] #1041729 02/11/12 09:57 PM
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Peabody Offline
Mudrunner
Quote
DUDE....its not like no one knows how to get this stuff - you can read what mods i have on my rig in my signature.

I do not agree with anyone saying that mods for the sporty are hard to come by - I have anything you could possibly want on my rig - 5.38 gears, diff lock rear (still contemplating the front), lift coils, extended forks etc - and yes - they do not come cheap.

but come on guys....you all complain about how mods are hard to find - well - i live in Israel - if you open up a dictionary - under "sh##hole" - well - thats where i live - and yet i have been able to get all of this stuff for my kia. from a kia dealer!!!!! i WISH i were living in the states or in australia - so much more stuff i could do to my rig - and real cheap compared to what it costs here. but you guys.....you cant be serious......i have been a member here for several years and i remember several people who have kindly offered to get some lockers - well - talk is cheap - everyone wants a locker .....no one wants to pay.

you guys - you do not know what you are missing. a locker transforms your car!

so ok....offroad korea is no more - get creative! you can see on the pictures from my diff lock install - you can see the name of the company that makes the trackfinder lockers - woolong or something like that....aint that hard to locate them. we have sportage owners all over the world - from italy to alaska - and cant locate a company that exists and makes diff locks - this moment as we speak?

come on.....



The problem, in the U.S. at least, is that the 1st gen Sportages are a very small market. So the commercial-interest in importing aftermarket performance parts was minimal before, and non-existent now. I think Israel is in a different situation, in regards to market size, consumer interest and the entrepreneurial-spirit in the business-sector. I am sure that if I walked into the parts and service department at my local Kia dealership and asked to purchase a Track Finder locker or some other aftermarket part, they would stare blankly at me.

I have read several posts from others in the U.S. noting that they had tried to contact a supplier outside of the U.S. but never received a response. I have personally emailed "jaffo" in Israel, as listed in your diff lock thread, but received no response whatsoever. And then there's the issue of dead links to suppliers (trackfinder.com, offroadkorea, etc). Personally, I understand these parts won't come cheap. Even if the selling price is good, the cost of shipping to the U.S. will add noticeably to the total cost (true for all international shipping).

That said, the Track Finder Lockers are being sold through a company in Korea: masterjeep.com. They sell for 460,000 won (~$410 USD). I have emailed them to see if they will sell and ship to buyers in the U.S. I'm waiting to hear back. If they won't sell direct, then I can get one through my middle-man seller on eBay for $600 USD. Again, you pay more. But I want something that works - absolutely. And I am willing to pay the price, for this part, at least. Once I have the Track Finder locker, I think I'm done buying aftermarket parts. Everything else I want, or have wanted to do, I can do using components sold in the U.S. (Jeep bumpers, snorkel, suspension lift, etc). I'm not here to cry about problems. I'm here to find solutions... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: Peabody] #1041730 02/11/12 11:39 PM
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Posts: 235
DRX350 Offline
Wheeler
On the diff lock from masterjeep.com, is that only for the 26 spline?
\
Sorry if it's been said, but I've got a '99 2wd and could use all the traction I can get!


"Does this part need to be in there?"

1996 Dodge 1500 single cab / short bed, 5.9 4x4; 2" lift (springs not blocks), C.A.I and more mods to come.
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: DRX350] #1041731 02/12/12 12:17 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 326
Peabody Offline
Mudrunner
From what I heard from my eBay-guy, only the 28 spline locker is available for the rear. So you will be fine. I will have to upgrade my '97 to 28 spline axles. But that's only a matter of pulling the axle bearings to swap the retaining plates and installing new bearings. I have already compared the 26 & 28 spline axles. They are identical except for the splines. So any 1st gen Sporty can have a rear locker, regardless of model year...


1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: Peabody] #1041732 02/12/12 01:28 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 235
DRX350 Offline
Wheeler
Quote
From what I heard from my eBay-guy, only the 28 spline locker is available for the rear. So you will be fine. I will have to upgrade my '97 to 28 spline axles. But that's only a matter of pulling the axle bearings to swap the retaining plates and installing new bearings. I have already compared the 26 & 28 spline axles. They are identical except for the splines. So any 1st gen Sporty can have a rear locker, regardless of model year...


Schweet!!! That's number 7 on my lift of things to do on the little girl...


"Does this part need to be in there?"

1996 Dodge 1500 single cab / short bed, 5.9 4x4; 2" lift (springs not blocks), C.A.I and more mods to come.
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: kia74] #1041733 02/12/12 04:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 387
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4runnernomore Offline
Mudrunner
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Well its 12.30am here just got back from a fishing trip and my two arb diff locks work fine in the orignal kia houseings but i supose no won wants to know the steps to put then in owell <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />


Nick,

As I said before if you have the information please share it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

This has been one of the things I have really liked about this forum. Nobody is belittled and all information is freely shared and not kept secret. People are only too happy to let you know what works and what doesn't.

I am sure you have people champing at the bit now you have said that you have ARB lockers installed on your Sportage. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Also I am sure people would love to see athread on your Sporty with pictures and details of your mods which sound very intreging. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

Cheers, Chris <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter,chipped, ext forks, 40mm Dob Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Locker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, extractors & 2 1/4 exhaust engineered.
Re: Lockers, Lockers ,Lockers. [Re: kia74] #1041734 02/12/12 05:27 AM
Joined: Feb 2009
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Dryver Offline
Wheeler
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Well its 12.30am here just got back from a fishing trip and my two arb diff locks work fine in the orignal kia houseings but i supose no won wants to know the steps to put then in owell <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />


So are you using the RD204 or RD208 for the front? I've browsed the ARB applications several times and thought a few of them might possibly work. Both the RD204 and RD208 seem to be for 26 spline 27.4mm 10-bolt ring gear applications.

As for the rear, do you have the 26 spline or 28 spline in the rear?

If you have information to share, just share it. Why all the drama?

Last edited by Dryver; 02/12/12 05:30 AM.

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