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Re: Multi-Vehicle Updates [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065573 07/23/15 10:15 PM
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just to clarify, my springs had gone weak, limp as they say. Couldnt keep up anymore. I've not broken any yet, and that's the only distributor i've ever had springs fail in, but a new distributor fixed it right up. For me the retarding spring had gone weak and this caused the vaccum diaphram to pull the advance really easily but also made it hard to keep it constant. The timing was bouncing all over the place when holding the engine at a constant RPM to create some engine vaccum.

If any of you ever experience this out on the trail, to get myself home that day; I unhooked the vaccum advance, then set the timing around 5*-10* advanced, wherever it will run decently and not get too hot either city or highway driving, whichever you need to do. I drove a 2.6 from bellingham washington to phoenix like that. (had trouble getting that specific distributor on the west coast that week).


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L042G- 1987, 2.6 carb, auto - Cylon Raider
A112 - 1973 Galant Wagon - 4G63 Turbo, 5 speed
L023G - 1983, 2.6 carb, 5 speed manual 4WD
L028 - 1983, 4D55 turbo diesel 2WD
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On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065574 08/05/15 01:11 PM
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As I start on the front end rebuild on my 86, I noticed after I removed the little Phillips screws that hold the front wheel bearing retainers that the retainers have twelve holes. I hadn't yet modified my socket I bought from Auto Zone, so I grabbed it to check to make sure I bought the right size. To my surprise, all six of the socket's lugs fit directly in the bearing retainers, one lug in every other hole, so I don't have to grind down the socket. This isn't what I remember seeing in the past, but whatever, it saves me a step.

Tonight I plan the pull the hubs and remove the brake discs and remove the bearing races. I'm going so far as to replace the races and bearings as well as the warped discs (the old discs have quite the ridge on the outside edge and are most probably past wear limit).

In the days to come I'll pull the spindles out, trash the old half shafts, which are torn to shreds, pull the a-arms and yank all the old steering stuff out. I still am looking at getting that 20-ton press from Harbor Freight...it's tempting and will be a lot more convenient than running the upper arms in to a shop to press the upper ball joints in/out.

Looking forward to seeing how this thing rides/steers/tracks when it's done. The only things new to me on this particular job are the upper a-arm shafts and pressing in/out of the ball joints. I've done everything else before.

John B.

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065575 08/05/15 04:31 PM
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dont forget to torque the control arms once the truck is on the ground to prevent pre-load and bind. things im sure you know, but always a helpful reminder <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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L042G- 1987, 2.6 carb, auto - Cylon Raider
A112 - 1973 Galant Wagon - 4G63 Turbo, 5 speed
L023G - 1983, 2.6 carb, 5 speed manual 4WD
L028 - 1983, 4D55 turbo diesel 2WD
Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: IncorpoRatedX] #1065576 08/05/15 07:27 PM
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Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: lordtrunks] #1065577 08/06/15 04:02 AM
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Of course there's always something I overlook. The socket I referenced above fits the ring with holes in it that fits ON TOP OF the bearing retainer. So after I fished that thing out, I saw that I needed to grind off four of six of the ears on my socket, which I did, then unscrewed the bearing retainer cap-things.

Got the hubs off, rotors unbolted from the hubs and everything reasonably cleaned up. Can't locate my punch set to drive out the old races though. Somebody probably knows where they are at...I don't. Spindles look good. Maybe I'll shoot for trying to get those off tomorrow so I can pull out those half shafts and throw them in the garbage. If I can get the races out of the hubs, I'll seat the new ones and pack (no jokes, LT) the new bearings and bag them for later reassembly. The new rotors showed up today, so I can bolt them on, too.

Incorporated, thanks for the reminder about tightening things while it's on the ground. I've forgotten that before. I've forgotten a lot of things.

While I'm on the subject, I need the manifolds for the a/c compressor that goes on the 1990 Max 2.4 engine in this '86. They attach to the compressor with one bolt each (the Montero's mount with two bolts) and allow the lines to be screwed on to the inlet/outlet of the compressor. Just in case anybody might stumble across them.

John B.

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065578 08/07/15 04:45 AM
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All I managed to do after work today was drive out the old bearing races and seat three of the four new ones. Yep, I screwed one up and will have to get a new one. The hubs cleaned up nicely and I did get the new wheel bearings packed with grease and into baggies. That's about it for today. I feel like I'm dragging a$$ on this thing, but it'll get done...THIS MONTH.

There, I wrote it...

John B.

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065579 08/08/15 04:31 AM
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Rained out this evening, plus, switching into a new phone then realizing I've lost all contact info with the outside world has me spending too much time trying to figure out how to get it all back...

John B.

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065580 08/09/15 04:06 PM
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After struggling for far too long trying to force in the new lower front a-arm bushing, Jorge gave me a ride to Harbor Freight last night and I got the 20 ton press. We'll see who's boss now. But first, some Salt River tubing action.

John B.

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065581 08/13/15 02:40 AM
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Yeah, so I ended up ordering a new bushing for that control arm because it just got hopelessly stuck in the arm and I ended up tearing it up. I did get the one crooked race out of the hub and a new one pressed in, so I thought I'd unbox my rotors and bolt them one. One of them is a wrong part, however, and they were the last two of that particular brand from Rock Auto. They gave me credit for it but now I have to reorder one and it will be a different brand. Will it cause an issue? Hope not.

Painted some of the brake hardware in red caliper paint, at least the parts that will show from inside the wheel.

Pressed out one of the old upper ball joints, but I can't break loose the nuts on the ends of the shafts on the upper control arms so I can replace the shafts. I'll hit the areas with the MAP gas torch and give my impact gun another try. Hopefully they were just red loc-tighted in there.

John B.

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild [Re: JohnnyBfromPeoria] #1065582 08/13/15 05:37 AM
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Rock Auto is cool to deal with. They immediately gave me credit for the wrong rotor and I don't have to send it back. They also credited freight, so I ordered another one, and also ordered more parts. Since the new parts are coming from the same warehouse, it didn't add all that much to the total. I ordered a new front differential output seal for where the driver's side half shaft plugs in, because the old one has its inner spring hanging out of itself. I also added in caliper rebuild kits, and new disc brake hardware kits that include the metal brackets, slides and pins...pretty much everything that nobody replaces, usually. I think I spent less than $16 for all that.

I seem to be out of MAP gas, but I tried heating up one end of the control arm shaft fitting with propane and it still wouldn't come undone. I may have to take it to my preferred alignment shop to have them have a go at it with their big honking tools. Toasty said he has a fierce air gun, but he's way on the other side of town, so this may be easier.

John B.

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