Extreme Terrain
4x4Wire Trail Talk Forums: Jeep, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Pajero, Isuzu, Kia, 4WD, 4x4, SUV, Off-Road and OutdoorWire Forums

Search 4x4Wire
Search E-Bay for your parts:
Search Amazon for your parts:


Recent Posts on TrailTalk
Stalling 1989 Raider
by cheesegrater. 01/19/18 01:32 PM
relay module ID - need help
by jeffmort. 01/19/18 06:51 AM
Ranger .22 Pump-Action Rifle?
by lupacexi. 01/19/18 04:10 AM
CanCooker Recipe for January 2018
by 4x4Wire. 01/17/18 09:50 PM
CA: 89 SWB V6 Need Washer Fluid Container
by cheesegrater. 01/17/18 01:11 PM
89 SWB V6 Straight Pipe Exhaust? No Muffler??
by polar. 01/16/18 04:11 AM
lugs for aftermarket alloy wheels?
by djacidjac. 01/16/18 03:30 AM
Support 4x4Wire
New Topics on TrailTalk
Stalling 1989 Raider
by cheesegrater. 01/19/18 01:32 PM
relay module ID - need help
by jeffmort. 01/19/18 06:51 AM
Ranger .22 Pump-Action Rifle?
by lupacexi. 01/19/18 04:10 AM
CanCooker Recipe for January 2018
by 4x4Wire. 01/17/18 09:50 PM
lugs for aftermarket alloy wheels?
by djacidjac. 01/16/18 03:30 AM
CA: 89 SWB V6 Need Washer Fluid Container
by polar. 01/13/18 10:28 PM
4x4 Gallery
Flex test after suspension mods
Clearance check!
Testing the new Kenda Klever 31x10.50x15
My '88
4x4Wire YJ
More News on the 'Wire

Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 164 guests, and 9 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Most Online581
Apr 3rd, 2017
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#186876 - 10/22/02 05:51 AM Smog 101  

Ok, Im not an expert at smog systems or diagnosis. But I did want to post my
smog ordeal, what I did, and what the numbers said so you can trouble shoot
your car when it fails smog. I would also encourage anyone to add to this post
your experience here so we can have a good "smog" archieve.

From my past posts "help Im a gross poluter", and "fail smog, EGR question",
here is my data and the things I did after each smog test:

Test #1 : Tune up, new wires, oil, & filters (timing was at 5Deg ATDC static)
HC(PPM): Max 118 Meas 31
CO%: Max 0.68 Meas 0.01
NO(PPM): Max 999 Meas 2347 FAIL

HC(PPM): Max 98 Meas 31
CO%: Max 0.87 Meas 0.03
NO(PPM): Max 859 Meas 659

Test #2 : Reset timing to 5 Deg BTDC static
HC(PPM): Max 118 Meas 28
CO%: Max 0.68 Meas 0.01
NO(PPM): Max 999 Meas 2983 FAIL

HC(PPM): Max 98 Meas 26
CO%: Max 0.87 Meas 0.06
NO(PPM): Max 859 Meas 648

Test #3 : New Catalitic converter and 02 sensor
15MPH TEST (after new cat/O2 sensor)
HC(PPM): Max 118 Meas 37
CO%: Max 0.68 Meas 0.02
NO(PPM): Max 999 Meas 2566 FAIL

HC(PPM): Max 98 Meas 29
CO%: Max 0.87 Meas 0.02
NO(PPM): Max 859 Meas 92

Test #4 : Removed intake manifold pressure wash EGR passage, remove EGR clean
15MPH TEST (after new cat/O2 sensor)
HC(PPM): Max 118 Meas 117 BARELY PASS!!
CO%: Max 0.68 Meas 0.08
NO(PPM): Max 999 Meas 152

HC(PPM): Max 98 Meas 65
CO%: Max 0.87 Meas 0.02
NO(PPM): Max 859 Meas 42

The EGR passage on the intake manifold was completely blocked, and was very
difficult to clean, because there is one bend that is 180 deg. Very bad design.
It would be a good place to add a clean out (like home plumbing) for the future.
So what did I learn from this?

1) If you fail NO's both at 15 & 25MPH, you probably have a bad cat.

2) I think if the 02 sensor is bad, you would get a code from the car's computer.
but it also should be cycled, and checked.

3) If your NO's are very high at 15MPH's but are passing at 25MPH, you have
some problem with your EGR system. If its a GEN I bet on a blocked up intake
manifold EGR passage.

4) If you remove your intake manifold, change all water lines and especially the
fuel lines behind it, cause its much easer once the intake is out. My fuel line
snapped in my hand as I was removing it!! CHANGE FUEL LINE, did I mention
to change your fuel lines?

5) The Haynes repair manual has an error on the proceedure to set the timing.

6) Our older Gen I's can run as clean as new cars if properly maintained. Please
dont remove your smog stuff, its not that expensive to repair, and the air we breath
is filthy enough as it is. You wont get that much more hp removing it. Lets all
be part of the solution, not the problem.

7)Here's how to test your EGR system. This is not in the factory manual. Thre manual
only tells you how to check the EGR valve, and its thermal sensor.

7.1) disconnect vaumn line from EGR valve
7.2) hook up vacumn pump line to EGR line
7.3) appy greater than 5(I think BAR) to the EGR
7.4) Engine should stall, or run very rough (If so EGR valve ok, and passages are clear)
7.5) hook vacumn guage to the vacumn line that you disconnected from EGR valveThis is the vac line going to the air plenum.
7.6) blip engine speed ( 700-3000-700) rev up fast and release
7.7) obvserve the guage, vacumn will also blip with engine speed
7.8) if the vacumn checks out, no plugged line.

If anyone knows why my HC's are so high at 15MPH, please chime in, Im sure
it will be a thorn in my side in two years, when I have to repeat this ordeal.

#186877 - 10/21/02 08:14 PM Re: Smog 101  
Jim_B  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,452
Colorado Springs, CO, USA
Thanks for the great info, this may save someone else *a lot* of time and money. Moderators: maybe this should go into the Tech Archive??

BTW, do you notice the truck runs any better or worse (aside from what is/isn't coming out of the tailpipe)?

<small>[ October 21, 2002, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: speculator ]</small>

#186878 - 10/21/02 08:36 PM Re: Smog 101  

My truck always ran just fine from the first test, real smooth idle, good acceleration.
The blocked EGR did not affect the truck at all. I am surprised the EGR temp sensor
did not send a warning, because with a blocked passage, you would think that the
sensor/EGR would be getting to hot with the restriction. I might pull the sensor and
check it according to the factory manual.
I do need to retard my ignition, because I am getting pinging, even running super!
My problem actaully shows why smog testing is a good idea. I was putting out
lots of emissions unecesarily. I do hate the fact that older vehicles must go to a test
only center, instead of a test and repair here in CA <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />

#1102605 - 12/13/16 07:30 PM Re: Smog 101 [Re: Anonymous]  
RoryTek  Offline
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 304
I know this is an old thread but how much was the cat and where did you buy it? I would like to get my 88 2.6 back on the road.

Rory N6OIL
88'Monty 2.6l 2dr,5spd,Silver,2 bouncy seats,LSD
Most Wanted Synthetics

#1102607 - 12/13/16 10:13 PM Re: Smog 101 [Re: Anonymous]  
4x4Wire  Offline

Trail Leader
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,086
Lakeside, CA ***

Moderated by  Macka, Mudraider, off-roader, PajEvo, rxinhed 

OutdoorWire Websites



Portal page for OutdoorWire Access and Landuse Central Read More


California off road recreation news and information Read More
MUIRNet News

MUIRNet News

News and information about issues affecting outdoor recreation Read More


Off road recreation and 4x4 Technical news and information Read More


4x4Wire TrailTalk Forums for a variety of 4x4 tech information Read More

4x4Wire Tech Section

Jeep 4x4 Tech

Jeep 4x4 Tech

Jeep Tech from JeepWire - Mods, Maintenance, Tech and more... Read More
Isuzu 4x4 Tech

Isuzu 4x4 Tech

Isuzu Tech from 4x4Wire - Mods, Maintenance, Tech and more... Read More

4x4Wire Social:

| 4x4Wire on FaceBook | Google+4x4Wire on Google+|

OutdoorWire, 4x4Wire, JeepWire, TrailTalk, MUIRNet-News, and 4x4Voice are all trademarks and publications of OutdoorWire, Inc. and MUIRNet Consulting.
Copyright (c) 1999-2017 OutdoorWire, Inc and MUIRNet Consulting - All Rights Reserved, no part of this publication may be reproduced in any form without express written permission
You may link freely to this site, but no further use is allowed without the express written permission of the owner of this material.
All corporate trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.008s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.8173 MB (Peak: 0.9128 MB) Zlib disabled. Server Time: 2018-01-19 21:14:04 UTC