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Re: D44---2nd Gen Rodeo -LOCK-RITE installed. #401564 02/17/04 11:40 PM
Joined: Apr 2003
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Bansil Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
Well after waiting 5 weeks for a B/O Aussie locker I found
out that they are still B/O <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> 5-6 more weeks.
I cancelled that order.
They (everbody) do not make a locker for The 2gen Rodeo's,
Passports,Rodeo sport, or the GrandCherokee.These rear ends
are D44 HD they have aluminum housing's and the Locker's
do not fit the carriers.
I have been on the phone with the Genuine Gear (quik-loc)
Detroit Locker (Ez-locker) and tech rep for lock-rite.
The tech's did not know why they wouldn't fit just that
the carriers were different and there was no way to shim
the lockers to make them fit,also the Detroit locker will
not fit because the housing's use a different size carrier
bearing then the D44 30 spline (Regular steel housing).
Knowing this I e-mailed ARB to see what they have to say
about this.

This [email]Su@#'s[/email] I have 2 option's that I see:
1)Weld it up.....not really an option for how she drives
her Rodeo.
2)Swap rearend's for 1 that will work with a locker....
maybe a pre 98 D44.....cut everything off rearend and make new bracket's for everything.

Couple ?'s

1) 1st gen Rodeo's have 4.56 gears?If so then I can use
10 bolt 3rd member from trooper to change gear ratio.

2)What is the width of the 1st gen rearend?

3)What are the chances that the yokes are the same on the
3rd members?

4)The abs system is it the same from 1st to 2nd gen?or will
it mess with the Computer?(OBD-1---->OBD2)

5)Will 2gen Calipers,roters bolt on to 1st gen housing?
Talk to me folk's give me some Idea's,we don't really want a LSD....for Uwharrie we might swap rear ends til the right
option comes up.
Has anybody actually installed a locker in the D44 HD aluminum housings?
Help
Thanks
Doug

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Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: Bansil] #401565 02/18/04 03:57 AM
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HCMP Offline
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what about a powertrax no-slip or lock-right?

why wouldn't either one work?


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Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: HCMP] #401566 02/18/04 06:30 AM
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rubo Offline
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AFAIK 2nd gens have alluminium diff cover and not a housing (but i very well may be wrong).
Also IIRC there are lockers for 2nd gen D44's.

Give Matt a call to make sure.

'96-'97 Rodeos have tha same widht as newer trucks.
Most of them come with 4.30's, but there are some with 4.56's.

There are rear wheel ABS and 4 wheel ABS trucks in '96-'97.
I'll call you tomorrow (you know, it would take me 2 pages just to explain how the 4 wheel ABS is on my truck <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />).

Last edited by rubo; 02/18/04 06:36 AM.

"If i can't crawl over it, i'll fly over it"
rubo

'96 Amigo 4x4, 3.2L V6, 4L30E, D44 rear, SOA, 1" BL, undergoing surgery.
'00 Rodeo LS 4x4, 3.2L V6, OME 919 Springs, front cranked to match,1" BL, 265/70x16 Scorion A/T's.
Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: Bansil] #401567 02/18/04 12:49 PM
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Bansil Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
Just took a magnet to both housing's 98/00
and they are steel.I will check a Grand Cherokee today.
What's up with this ?Is it just bad info from the manufactuers?
Doug

Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: Bansil] #401568 02/18/04 02:24 PM
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RobG Offline
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1) 1st gen Rodeo's have 4.56 gears?If so then I can use
10 bolt 3rd member from trooper to change gear ratio.

Yes, early first gens with the 10-bolt GM rear did, i know Jon Fox's '92 Rodeo i worked on did. If you're wanting a D44 rear w/4.56s, you'll have to look in the 97 year and settle for drum brakes. These were from the 2wd rodeos i believe. There was never a disc braked, 4.56 gear, leaf sprung D44. This info is coming from years back when i helped John swap his GM 10-bolt for a D44.

2)What is the width of the 1st gen rearend?
about 59" wms if i remember right.

3)What are the chances that the yokes are the same on the
3rd members?

well, the 1st gen's uses a bolt on yoke/flange at the axle end. do the 2nd gens actually have a ujoint yoke?

4)The abs system is it the same from 1st to 2nd gen?or will
it mess with the Computer?(OBD-1---->OBD2)

don't think so. 1st gens used a single sensor in the top of the pumpkin (tone ring behind the ring gear). I believe later models moved this out to the end of the axle shafts (two sensors).

5)Will 2gen Calipers,roters bolt on to 1st gen housing?
no idea whatsover.


Now i'm confused about this Doug. I new the 2nd gen D44s had aluminum covers, but i thought for sure they were steel housings (much different from the Grand D44). I also assumed someone out there is running a locker in a 2nd gen (this can't be a first timer?!?!). And usually when i think of D44HD, its in reference to the 8-lug models found on fullsizes and 3/4ton trucks which use the thicker tubes and have the 8-lug wheel pattern (i'm running one of these housing under my rodeo), but are otherwise (internally) identical to your normal D44.

I don't have more info for you, but i would say give it a shot, i think it should work. report back to use what you find.

-Rob


Robert Gorrell
1995.5 Isuzu Rodeo - SAS'd and SOA'd, sitting on 38x13 TSLs, spooled D60 front, 14bff rear locked by detriot, high steer w/ hydro, dual Isuzu tcases.
Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: RobG] #401569 02/18/04 02:38 PM
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jgalt Offline
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Quote
And usually when i think of D44HD, its in reference to the 8-lug models found on fullsizes and 3/4ton trucks which use the thicker tubes and have the 8-lug wheel pattern (i'm running one of these housing under my rodeo), but are otherwise (internally) identical to your normal D44.


I know the internals (at least on a Zu) are different. I have a D44 stock 4.30 R&P on my '96 Rodeo. I was interested in stepping up to 4.77s and ecstatic when I found "new" D44 4.77s for the 2nd gen Rodeo / Sport from Merlin at St. Charles (pricey though).

In any event, the splined shaft on the 2nd Gen 4.77 pinion was WAY to big (OK about 1/4" in diameter) to fit in the 1st gen carrier and housing.

Needless to say, I'm still running 4.30s (anyone have some 4.56s they want to get rid of cheap! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />)


Jim - ZU'tah Wheeler

'96 Rodeo LS 4x with 3.2L SOHC V6 (6VD1-V) & MUA5
Beyond that <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

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Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: jgalt] #401570 02/18/04 04:13 PM
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Iluvmud Offline
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Doug, i am still planning on checking out that junk yard for ya tomorrow, but it looks like I will have to strike pure gold to find one with all of the specs it looks like you need. Anyway, we'll see how it goes. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


8 inches of lift, 33s, custom bumpers and rockbars, powertrax, T-maxx 9000, lots o lights, and some bass in the trunk

Lifted, locked, and ready to rock!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />

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Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: Bansil] #401571 02/18/04 10:51 PM
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Posts: 1,994
Bansil Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
I appreciate the help.I am so confused because both of
our Rodeo's have steel housing's but when your told they are
aluminum it makes me wonder.I'm going to make a few calls this evening and find out.
Rob thank's for that info,I was afraid of all those
answer's though but it doesn't hurt to ask.
If I can find someone who will not charge a 25% restock fee
I'll probably order one and see if it works.
I remember someone posted about a locker install and they
said they had to shim the locker to get the "gap" into
spec. and it was followed by several remarks about
he shouldn't/couldn't shim it.
Hello is there a 2nd Gen with a locker out here
in Isuzuland????
Thanks
Doug

Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: Bansil] #401572 02/18/04 10:57 PM
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Posts: 4,277
RobG Offline
Roll Me Over
Quote
I remember someone posted about a locker install and they
said they had to shim the locker to get the "gap" into
spec.


Now there are two different lockers for D44s with LSD and without (when we're talking about lunchboxes). Not getting the right one here for your carrier could cause the need for shimming or it not fitting all together.

-Rob

Re: D44 HD -----locker problems(long) [Re: Bansil] #401573 02/18/04 11:05 PM
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Posts: 9,030
randii Offline
4x4Wire.com Managing Editor Emeritus
It is hard to sort through some of the well-intentioned (I hope!) misinformation that some shops provide on Isuzus. In this case, their impression that the Rodeo uses the same Dana 44 as the Jeep Grand Cherokee is just WRONG.

With this info, don't be afraid to ask for answers, but in asking, make sure that the folks answering provide specific references to their experience. For instance, a shop that thinks the axles are the same, but has never actually worked with one, is a less valuable source of information than some fella on the internet who has actually installed a locker in his Rodeo. What complicates this is dealing with the parts of that equation separately -- though you'd place more value on someone who has installed one vs. someone who just assumes it will be the same as the 100's of other Dana 44s he'd installed (althought that 1:100 ratio does give pause!), do you take the word of an individual over the internet, instead of a local 4x4 shop?!?! That's part of the agony of owning and Isuzu -- sussing out the information from the misinformation, and evaluating that info based on the credentials and experience of the person providing it.

If the shop orders parts and installs them, you pay more for the pleasure, but the risk is theirs... if they order the wrong locker, they pay to to reorder and restock. If you order and install the parts on your own, the risk is yours... dealing with Isuzu-savvy vendors can mitigate this risk, but never removes it altogether.

Here's an article from the Isuzu section:
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/d44lockright/installation/?
...it may help, but Isuzu kept tweaking the axles under its trucks, so then again, it might not! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

Keep trying, Doug... and report back with the real-world experience you find when you do get it installed. That'll be one more element of information to win the war against misinformation....

Randii


Randy Burleson
4x4Wire Managing Editor Emeritus
Mongrel Isuzu Amigo
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