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*** READ THIS FIRST*** Search Tutorial #499290 09/09/04 12:49 AM
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randii Offline OP
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I've been immerserd in Boolean logic, and specifically, using this to generate searches, for decades now. Sometimes I take this taxonomy for granted, and assume that others have years of experience in it, as well. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

Let's try this -- instead of any discussions about how great (or crummy) the search feature is -- let's try a thread that consists of nothing but queries about how to search. Mebbe we can all learn from it...

Here's an example that might be seen:
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The request:
How do I search for information on those glowing gauge backlights?

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The response:
Try searching
Select the *Isuzu Forums* on the left drop-down box of Forums to Search, seeking these keywords: gauge +glow (note the PLUS in front of the last keyword) in subject and body -- and set it to 5 years to see more responses.
When you get more than 100 results (past 4 pages if you use the default 25 returns/page), try dialing in your search criteria even further, by perhaps ruling out the diesel-related hits and seeking the same keywords but only in Isuzu Talk (since you're asking about a mostly appearance-related mod)... and the result is 51 return items. Scan the titles for something that sees to make sense, and here ya go:
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showf...&Number=588266&Forum=c15
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showf...&Number=138126&Forum=c15



Let's try using this thread to coach folks on how to search... again, let's stay away from comments good or bad, and just try to use this space to request help on a specific search... and respond to those search requests. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Randii

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Re: Search Tutorial [Re: randii] #499291 09/09/04 01:23 AM
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Bansil Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Don't forget about "slang"
Such as:
dizzy = distributor
tbar = torsion bar =torsionbar
ifs = independent + front + suspension

Not everyone is a perfect speller <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> and grammer can be bad

if your gas gauge is bad try:

gas + guage + bad or
gas + gage + broken
etc.
I hope this helps if not the trash cans over there

Oh and I've noticed it helps to put ( and ) is this my ill feed mind or does this really help on this search as it does
on the "regular" internet <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> I could be just loony but it seems to only include the words in ( and )

Bansil





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Re: Search Tutorial [Re: Bansil] #499292 09/09/04 01:49 AM
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Wareagle Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Good point on misspells. Are ther any wildcards w/ boolean? I forget, is the asterisk symbol (*) a wildcard?


Mark-95Trooper,fr LockRight,rr LSD,5spd,TeraLow,Indy tierods&QD sways,CO2, RS9000Xs,OME912&2.5"spacers,1"BL,ARB w/Warn M8000,OBT rear bumper&sliders. Pics indy4x
Re: Search Tutorial [Re: Wareagle] #499293 09/09/04 02:00 AM
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CPOM Offline
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type............example.............result
words...........gas tank lift.......posts including: "gas" and/or "tank and/or "lift"
+ signs.........+gas +tank +lift.....posts that inlcude all three terms
""quotations...."gas tank lift".....posts that include the string "gas tank lift" in order and completely
-signs..........gas -tank -lift.....posts that include gas but not "tank" and not "lift"
combinations...."gas tank" -lift....posts that include the phrase "gas tank" but excludes the term "lift"


I'm sure there are more.

Oh yeah, searching under "miserable failure" will not yield any unexpected results.



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Re: Search Tutorial [Re: CPOM] #499294 09/09/04 04:44 AM
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Oyaji_Jon Offline
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***
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Oh yeah, searching under "miserable failure" will not yield any unexpected results.


It will now... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


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-Jon
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As seen on Expedition with TX plates: VEGETARIAN - An old Indian word for poor hunter

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Re: Search Tutorial [Re: randii] #499295 09/09/04 08:13 PM
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Jeff the marmot Offline
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Select the *Isuzu Forums* on the left drop-down box of Forums to Search, seeking these keywords: gauge +glow (note the PLUS in front of the last keyword) in subject and body -- and set it to 5 years to see more responses.
When you get more than 100 results (past 4 pages if you use the default 25 returns/page), try dialing in your search criteria even further, by perhaps ruling out the diesel-related hits and seeking the same keywords but only in Isuzu Talk (since you're asking about a mostly appearance-related mod)... and the result is 51 return items.

One tricky thing about this particular UBB.threads search tool is that every word that you require in your search results must be preceeded with a + sign. So if you use glow +gauge, it won't cut the mustard because it gives you a list of all results where "gauge" is required, and they may or may not include "glow" (? I think). If you really want search results that include both "glow" AND "gauge", then you need to use +glow +gauge.

Applied against 5 years of 'Isuzu forums' you get:
gauge +glow = 4.5 pages of results.
glow +gauge = more than 20 pages of results. I stopped counting.
+gauge +glow = just 12 lines (not pages) of results.

Moral of the story: Enter a plus sign prior to ALL terms, including prior to the first word. That ensures the combination of required words in the search results.


Jeff
2000 4Runner SR5, supercharger, rear e-locker, ARB front locker, 285/75R16 MT/R's, custom bumpers & skids
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Re: Search Tutorial [Re: Jeff the marmot] #499296 09/09/04 11:00 PM
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randii Offline OP
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Thanks for the clarification, Jeff!

I had assumed that it was an (X AND Y) transaction and not a (defininite Y) +/- X.

Randii (learned sumthin new today!)

Re: Search Tutorial [Re: Jeff the marmot] #499297 09/10/04 01:23 AM
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Wareagle Offline
Body Damage is Cool
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Moral of the story: Enter a plus sign prior to ALL terms, including prior to the first word. That ensures the combination of required words in the search results.


That's a huge <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> one! Thanks a lot.


Mark-95Trooper,fr LockRight,rr LSD,5spd,TeraLow,Indy tierods&QD sways,CO2, RS9000Xs,OME912&2.5"spacers,1"BL,ARB w/Warn M8000,OBT rear bumper&sliders. Pics indy4x
Re: Search Tutorial [Re: Wareagle] #499298 01/05/05 06:43 AM
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mlclark Offline
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Just some more helpful hints on using the search feature. Some have been covered above, but...here they are again. There should be no more "I tried, but..." or "I can't operate a toaster, this search thing as me muddled..." <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I put this stuff together for some of our Mitsu brethren who were having a hard time.

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The biggest problem with the search is that it includes the signature line in the search. And it is a problem.

I know this is off topic for this thread, but you Mitsu guys seem to be having some issues with the search feature this week. No, the search engine does not search sigs. It just does not. We, as moderators, put this one to rest a long time ago.

You have to search like Ray said. Put phrases in quotations and use the + sign to absolutely include whatever word or phrase you need. Searching for just bouncy seats will give you posts with just bouncy, posts with just seats and posts with bouncy and seats. Put it in quotes and you will only get posts that have the specific phrase "bouncy seats" in them. Search for the same thing, but putting + before each word will give you posts that have the words bouncy and seats, but they do not have to be next to each other. Such as the phrase, "My seats are bouncy." If you want to get fancy, you can use the - sign to exclude terms, but that would be covered under Searching 201.

Got it?

Sorry you see this as so difficult, but it really is not. If you need more information, there are several posts on several boards AND a link on the search page to more instructions. Plus, you can ask ANY moderator and they will help you out. At this point, I do no know what else can be done to make this work for you. I kind of think the ball is in your court.


and

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THE SEARCH FUNCTION NEEDS TO DEFUALT TO MAX DATES!!!!!!!!!!


No, it doesn't. Set it to what you need. Start with a smaller timeframe and increase it if you need to. If every search ran through all the available posts, it would just suck the resources out of the board.

The best and easiest way to search is to focus on what terms you are searching for. Searching for a What is the biggest tire size? is useless. You will get every post that has any, some or all of those words. You must use only the important terms. Using the + sign before terms means they will be included, no matter what. Using the ".." to define phrases is important too.

So, we can go from What is the biggest tire size? to +tire +size +largest You can replace "largest" with "biggest" or "maximum" to see the different results. Also search outside of the box. For example, if you are looking for information on trailing arms (my best attempt at making this Montero related), you could also search for the term, "fishplated" or "fishplate" as there is plenty of discussion about trailing arms that also has information on trailing arms.

Trust me, it works. It just takes a little bit of finesse. Blaming the search engine or the website is not a good excuse. If you have problems, ask a moderator. We are all here to help you with things like this. If you can learn how to use the search function, it means you can use it in the future too, instead of going down the same frustrating path, not getting the information you are looking for and then being told to search.

All of us here at 4x4Wire welcome new people and want everyone to be helped as much as possible. But, to keep some of the old-timers happy, it means that those who are new to the scene should exert some effort at answering their own questions first, if only out of respect. Just like us, those community members who take the time to answer questions, often the same ones over and over, are volunteering their time and effort. To a degree, we must keep them happy.

Finally, a method that works well is to not just give the blanket "Use the search feature" answer, but to do a quick search and post the link to the results to get someone started or just give an example of a search string that works.


As you can see, some of it applies to the conversation that was going on, but it should help those out that seem to have constant trouble.

I also just realized that confining search terms is important. I was looking for this thread and searched for search in the subject line. It also came up with hits for searched. Using the phrase "search", with quotations, would have solved the problem.

As always, just ask one of us if you are having issues.

Good Luck,
Michael

Re: Search Tutorial [Re: Bansil] #499299 01/05/05 07:58 PM
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Chris Perosi Offline
Isuzu Staffer Emeritus
Great post -- and most of it is stuff I've also done for years although no one can figure out why I'm using all those plus and minus signs in my searches. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Everyone should keep in mind that most Internet searches also work this way -- which is why 9 times out of 10 I find what I'm looking for on the first search and it takes other people hours to come up with any relevant pages. My 2 cents additional -- don't ever bother with words like "the" or "of" or anything else fairly common in your searches -- your results will be inundated with false returns. Be careful exactly what you're looking for as well -- if you're looking for 16-inch rims, and you type 16 as one of your search terms, you're going to return any post with that number in it -- i.e. my 16-year-old cousin went wheeling with us this weekend, etc. You're much better off narrowing the search down with "rims" or "wheels" first, then searching the results for the specific numbers.

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Not everyone is a perfect speller <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> and grammer can be bad


That's great man -- but I wasn't entirely sure if you spelled grammar wrong on purpose. We'll just say you did anyway. smile Brings up a great point tho -- I'll often leave out parts of words that I know are usually spelled wrong. i.e. If I'm looking for Matt's website, I might search for the correct spelling (Independent4x) as well as the incorrect spelling (Independant4x) -- or I might just leave off the culprit and search for "Independ". Of course, all those references to Indy4x will even throw that off, but at least it's a better bet.

Another one that's commonly typed wrong even tho most people know how to spell it is "bumper" -- a lot of times you'll see bumber on the web. I've done it myself, it's just a weird thing that happens when you're typing too fast, even though you know damn well how to spell it.... There's a bunch more, but use your imagination...

-Chris


Chris Perosi
Isuzu Editor Emeritus
OutdoorWire, Inc.
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