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Re: Best 4x4 ever built? #582023 03/29/05 09:13 AM
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well your right and jeeps come with front solid axles and monteros don't so i guess jeeps are THE top of the food chain and montero's will never crawl over the big rocks and and and mitsubishi
despite having the most durable trucks ever proved by the Dakar rally have no idea what rock crawling is and also even more only put lockers in monteros AND JEEP RUBICON's so they can crawl into and out of parking spaces at Target
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Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: TOASTY] #582024 03/29/05 03:34 PM
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I'm sure you had a point somewhere in your post . . . <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />


94 YJ, SOA, 2-1/2 Alcans, ARB-front, Detroit-Rear, 4.56:1 gears, Oasis Trailhead compressor, 4:1 Terra Lo, 37x12.50x15 SSR's, 8000 lb Ramsey, & etc.
Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: TOASTY] #582025 03/29/05 03:37 PM
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Ah crap, I was hoping you wouldn't show THAT picture. I knew someone would post it to finally put an end to this whole topic. My friend, you're just making an <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> out of yourself now.

Chris


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Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: BoggerCJ7] #582026 03/29/05 04:45 PM
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I'm not gonna sit here and brand bash or people bash or succomb to name calling like some of the less mature people in this board, but the lot of you make me glad I never became a "jeeper"

And now for the long awaited plug for a brand...

Isuzu weighs up there with the top groups of bone stock vehicles that can, will, and HAVE traversed some of THE worst terrain on earth. Right up there with Toyota, and Mitsubishi. Problem is this...most of the people yelling "only in a Jeep" have lived ONLY in the States. The Dakar rally is but one overseas competition where one of the "japanese trucks" dominates.

As for making a rig trail worthy, and the amount of money it takes to do it...

2000 Isuzu Amigo can be had for about 7500 bucks or less. (if you can find one...seems most Isuzu owners tend to hang on to their truck for an abnormally long time. Particularly the very able Trooper)
Comes stock with 208+ horsepower, Dana 44 in the rear, ~70:1 w/automatic...and it will only cost you ~200 bucks to put an additional 3 inches of suspension lift, plus big tires...it will fit 31x10.50's with NO mods, and with minor trimming you can fit 33's easily. Plus...it rides nice at this height and is a very comfy daily driver.

www.trailseeker.com for some pics.

Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: JasonB] #582027 03/29/05 06:40 PM
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I lived in England for the last few years, and the major 4x4 mags over there are ditching their home-based Landrovers in favor of TJs, WJs, and Cherokees (known here of course, as the Liberty). Sure, there are several 4x4s out there that can traverse rough terrain, but Jeeps are designed to go off-road as part of their normal operation. Most of these other vehicles usually do not include stringent off-road testing before their release. Jeeps probably have the best aftermarket support for any 4x4 as well.

Dakar? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />, That's just sandune racing you could do with 2wd vehicles.

I don't have any problem with people discussing 4x4s other than Jeeps, I only expect basic grammar. That way I can actually read the post. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: JasonB] #582028 03/29/05 07:16 PM
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and it will only cost you ~200 bucks to put an additional 3 inches of suspension lift, plus big tires...it will fit 31x10.50's with NO mods, and with minor trimming you can fit 33's easily


With my YJ, I have ran 31x10.5's for years with no lift. With minor fender trimming, 33x12.5's fit easily with no lift... Same goes for a TJ, except their fenders are a bit prettier and more of a shame to cut into.

So lets see if we want to make a trail rig with a YJ running 33's. 2500$ for a beat up post 91 YJ with a 4.0 and the cost of 4 33's and the cost of some cheap shears that will cut through plastic. With the multiple thousands saved on the jeep you could go about and replace the crappy axles bolt in a cheap coil lift and still be a little heavier in the pockets.

Yes mitsu's and montereo's and isuzu's and toy's have some nice Amenities, but as Fred keeps saying, you sre going to find alot of people on the jeep bored that are jeep biased.

Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: Fred Blackstone] #582029 03/29/05 07:52 PM
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Your point about the dana35 axle is well taken, but with today's Jeeps, you get what you pay for. If you want a good axle in the rear of your Wrangler, Unlimited, or Rubicon, these rigs are now available with a Dana44 . . . it's been that way since 1997.


All toyota's use d44 equivalent axles!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />

Montero's can be quite caipable vehicles!! And HEY, I DONT OWN ONE! granted their not like heavensent or anything, but they go OK.

Old Landrovers can do some incredible stuff. A mechanic at the gas station i work at had an old SWB. Bone stock, it would go places that lifted, locked toyotas AND JEEPS would not. The new ones suck, and reqire no mention, however.

All said and done i think i would vote for the rubi as the most caipable 4x4 out of the box, but i would never buy one.

you say people choose jeeps in part because of low cost and big aftermarket. Ok, but around here toyotas outnumber jeeps 5-1, because nobody has any money. Toyotas are dirt cheap, have a big aftermarket support, and do take a serious pounding.

When is really comes down to it, you can make pretty much make anything quite caipable. If i SAS'ed an awd corrolla, i bet it would go ok! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

To each his own.


-matt

-'88 toy x-cab, SAS, chevys, gears, lockers, free tires, dented body mod.
-'87 4runner, bone stock DD

"It's OK to do stupid things, as long as you are not stupid about it."

Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: JasonB] #582030 03/29/05 07:52 PM
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Jason wrote "I'm not gonna sit here and brand bash or people bash or succomb to name calling like some of the less mature people in this board, but the lot of you make me glad I never became a "jeeper" "

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Jason, I resemble that remark! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> In the sake of having a little tongue-in-cheek fun, I'll own up to being the less mature Jeep owner.
Honestly, I do pay some attention to other 4x4's available in our marketplace, but I do not believe that isuzu, mitibishi, Montero, or other similar vehicles can possibly be rated the best 4x4's available . . . I would put them in the same catagory as Ford Explorers, Chevy Blazers, and Dodge Dakota's! Toyota has some good products, I like the clearance they have, and stock capabilities right off the showroom floor. Credit has to go to those manufacturers that had the forethought to include a beefy axle in their rigs; It took Jeep several decades to begin to listen to their customers!
Get over the brand loyality! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> The topic is the best 4x4 available, and has little to do with what an individual settled for when they purchased their vehicle. The Dakar Rally is in many ways similar to the Baja Rally --- those rigs are race specific --- and are in a catagory different than I would use to select the best 4x4! I think we should consider the best stock 4x4 in several trail conditions, namely sand, mud, snow, ice, and rocks! Unimogs were my suggestion, but it was pointed out that they didn't seem to do well on trails with deep mud. Ground clearance may keep the new Jeeps from being considered the overall best, but kudos have to be given to DC for offering the Rubicon to our marketplace.
Much is made about the money some Jeep owners will spend to build a specific trail worthy rig. This is especially common with rockcrawlers that want to easily traverse any trail obstacle they should encounter. But, the Jeep can be made into a superior trail rig for much less than $7500!


94 YJ, SOA, 2-1/2 Alcans, ARB-front, Detroit-Rear, 4.56:1 gears, Oasis Trailhead compressor, 4:1 Terra Lo, 37x12.50x15 SSR's, 8000 lb Ramsey, & etc.
Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: eightyeight] #582031 03/29/05 08:23 PM
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88 wrote "and do take a serious pounding."

I think there is a big difference in what four wheelers consider a difficult trail. Trail conditions vary a great deal from region to region. We judge 4x4's by there ability to get over, or through, these trail obstacles. Obviously, the trails in NH and Maine are a little less demanding of a 4x4 than some of the notorious trails in the SE, and the NW, but defintely less demanding than the trails in CA, AZ, NM, CO, UT & Dakotas. Oh sure, there are difficult trails in every region, but overall the "pounding" 4x4 rigs receive from trails in the western and SW regions; basically, west of Denver, Colorado, is significantly more severe. (Just my opinion.) So, how can you judge the best 4x4 rig if your four wheeling experiences are at best, from the moderate trails of the NE? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Last edited by Fred Blackstone; 03/29/05 08:30 PM.

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Re: Best 4x4 ever built? [Re: eightyeight] #582032 03/29/05 08:26 PM
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All said and done i think i would vote for the rubi as the most caipable 4x4 out of the box, but i would never buy one


Agreed way to costly for something that is going to go down to 25% its value once proporly used...

I do have respect for the older early 80 toy's with solid ale fronts. Those were burley machines.

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