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#615785 - 09/01/06 03:57 PM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK ***** [Re: turtleskia]  
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I have WARN hubs also. Best thing I ever did. I have a 98 Sportge as well. I tried replacing the hoses at first, but continued to have problems. I would be in the middle of a snow storm and the original hubs would kick in and out. Horrible design, that is why they changed it. Unfortunate for some of us, we got stuck with it. It was very easy, took les than an hour to change both sides myself with basic tools. So easy my wife could have done it.


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#615786 - 01/20/07 05:49 AM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK  
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MickeG did you buy manual or automatic hub?


#615787 - 02/14/07 03:59 AM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Axe Man]  
LeadBelly  Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 40
Central Mo
Does anyone know for certain if early style(96) auto hubs will go on a later(99) KIA?

I have a 99 with malfunctioning vacuum hubs. It is my wife's daily driver and she has no desire to hop out and lock in the hubs when the roads get slick. It never sees any tough situations-just snow/ice.

I also have a 96 with automatic hubs that work flawlessly. I don't mind jumping out to lock in hubs-every 4x4 that I've had until these two have had manual hubs.

So, what I'd like to do is buy a set of warn manual hubs and put on my 96 and take the auto hubs from my 96 and put on my wife's 99, provided that there are no fitment issues.

I suspect that they'll go with no problem, but would like to know for certain before I lay out the bucks for a set of manual hubs. (if they won't, I'll buy a set of warn autos for the 99)

anyone ever done this?

Thanks!


'99 Sportage 4dr EX 5-speed, unmolested
'98 Sportage 4dr Auto 2wd
'96 Sportage 4dr Auto,235-75x29"tires, custom fabbed hidden receiver hitch and big plans.



#615788 - 02/14/07 04:29 PM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: LeadBelly]  
Axe Man  Offline

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Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,497
Highland, NY
Quote
Does anyone know for certain if early style(96) auto hubs will go on a later(99) KIA?

I have a 99 with malfunctioning vacuum hubs. It is my wife's daily driver and she has no desire to hop out and lock in the hubs when the roads get slick. It never sees any tough situations-just snow/ice.

I also have a 96 with automatic hubs that work flawlessly. I don't mind jumping out to lock in hubs-every 4x4 that I've had until these two have had manual hubs.

So, what I'd like to do is buy a set of warn manual hubs and put on my 96 and take the auto hubs from my 96 and put on my wife's 99, provided that there are no fitment issues.

I suspect that they'll go with no problem, but would like to know for certain before I lay out the bucks for a set of manual hubs. (if they won't, I'll buy a set of warn autos for the 99)

anyone ever done this?

Thanks!


Yep, they will fit. I had early style hubs on my '98 before converting over to Warn Manuals.

But the older auto hubs are failure prone too. Which is why I went from vacuum hubs to early autos finally to Warns. I highly recommend you go for manual hubs for both your Sportages. Teach wifey how to use them. And they CAN be left locked in while in 2WD if she doesn't want to mess with them.


1998 Sportage - Gone.
2004 Honda Civic Coupe.
2007 Suzuki Grand Vitara - She got it.

#615789 - 02/15/07 02:02 AM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Axe Man]  
LeadBelly  Offline
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Posts: 40
Central Mo
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Yep, they will fit. I had early style hubs on my '98 before converting over to Warn Manuals.

But the older auto hubs are failure prone too. Which is why I went from vacuum hubs to early autos finally to Warns. I highly recommend you go for manual hubs for both your Sportages. Teach wifey how to use them. And they CAN be left locked in while in 2WD if she doesn't want to mess with them.


Cool! Thanks for the info.

Wifey knows how to use them, but I can't blame her for not want to squat in a skirt and high heels ankle deep in snow locking her hubs in...(I know she should be wearing sensible shoes, but I'm referring to those unannounced snows we get every so often) The autos have held up to my abuse they should be able to handle her work load. When and if they give out on her then I'll decide on new manuals or autos.

She drives 20+ miles a day so running with the hubs locked in (when no needed) would make a substantial dent in my pocketbook fuelwise. Besides, now I don't have wait until I thrash my auto hubs so I can justify new manual hubs for mine.

Thanks again,

KS


'99 Sportage 4dr EX 5-speed, unmolested
'98 Sportage 4dr Auto 2wd
'96 Sportage 4dr Auto,235-75x29"tires, custom fabbed hidden receiver hitch and big plans.



#615790 - 02/21/07 06:59 PM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Axe Man]  
bensdad  Offline
Need a Spot
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6
Michigan
This is great info, thanks but I have a question/comment: According to Warn's customer service, the 2002 kia sportage is not supported for the hub part number 60247. Here's the exchange:
[message I left on Warn's web site]
I'm in desperate need of hub parts for my vehicle and Warn is what I'd MUCH prefer to use. Problem is, the parts list in your catalog only includes my vehicle make/model through 2001. To my knowledge, there's no difference between the 2001 and 2002 model years, can you tell me why there's a discrepancy or why the hub part number isn't listed for the 2002 model?

I'd be very willing to provide feedback regarding fit and function if you can provide assurances that if it doesn't fit I can return the parts for a refund.

WARN part number: 60247
Vehicle info: KIA, Sportage - 4 door, 4WD, standard 2 litre 4 cyl DOHC engine.

Thank you

[Warn customer service response]
David,



We have not performed a fit/function test on the later vehicles to determine if it will fit all Kia variations. To our knowledge the 2002 vehicles implemented a vacuum hub assembly and our manual hub will not convert the vacuum style automatic hub wheel end.



Regards,



Aaron Hall

Warn Customer Service

800-543-9276

---------------------------------------------

I still want Warn hubs, really, but I'm concerned about whether or not these will fit correctly.

OK, so here's the question:
Can anyone say for certain that 1)these hubs will fit my 2002 sportage and 2)that there's absolutely no chance my hubs are some kind of non-standard, factory or dealer installed item. They are the auto engage units, there is a vacuum pump under the hood and there is a vacuum line going to the back of the disc brake cover, which I'm assuming connects to the vacuum mechanism.

Granted, 2) may not be fair to ask because no one on this list has seen my car but my concern for this is related to another often discussed topic: 'What wheel size will fit a sportage.' Earlier this year, I took a set of rims off a late 80's half ton Ford 4X4 truck sitting in my father-in-law's field and tried to put one on the front of my sportage. It didn't fit, the center hole was about 1/16th of an inch to small. After searching a junkyard pile of rims for 2+ hours for a ford rim with a larger center hole, what I had was larger than most and as big as anything else I could find (I did find some mismatched, aftermarket 5 spoke wagon wheel style rims with a really large center hole, those would fit gut I don't like the look).

I've had 2 situations where I really needed 4X4, because of heavy snow fall in southeast michigan. Both times they failed. After the first time, I took it to Kia for a warranty repair, which worked. I tested it by finding some sandy mud in a field and gave it a try. Got stuck in 2WD, shifted the transfer case into 4WD and watched the drivers front wheel spin (hanging out the window) while it dug it's way out of the mud - and the drivers tire shouldn't have spun if both hubs were not engaged. The most recent time was just a few weeks ago when we got some signifigant snow, I wound up in a snow bank and had to dig my way out with my window scraper. Believe me, that's a pitiful situation to be in: this close to motor city, driving an import 4X4 and stuck in a little pile of snow.

Sorry for the long winded post but if anyone has comments or suggestions, questions I can answer about whatever, please let me know.

Thanks,

Wanted to make an update:
I bought the car new, in late December of 2002. It's got the 5 speed trans, no aftermarket stuff at all. It had a manufacture date (on the door somewhere) of early '02, like february some time. It has less than 80K miles, it's my commuter car - I drive 80 miles a day, 5 days a week, round trip to work. The exhaust is about to fall off and there's a nasty rattle under the hood right after starting in warm or cold weather, I think it's the clutch fan - probably should take care of that too.


Last edited by bensdad; 02/21/07 07:06 PM.

2002 Sportage 4X4 5 SPD, stock.

#615791 - 02/22/07 01:45 AM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: bensdad]  
Axe Man  Offline

Kia Moderator Emeritus
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,497
Highland, NY
Unfortunately the Warn Rep has no idea what he's talking about. Yes, the 2002 Sportage hubs are vacuum operated. So are 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001. The IDENTICAL arrangement. Absolutely no difference.

Be assured that the Warn manual hubs will fit your 2002.


1998 Sportage - Gone.
2004 Honda Civic Coupe.
2007 Suzuki Grand Vitara - She got it.

#615792 - 02/22/07 09:06 AM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Axe Man]  
Calappoyas  Offline
Mudrunner
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 393
Eugene, Oregon
As a 2002 owner myself, You'll find many after-market parts lists only go up to 2001. Only difference between the 2002 and the 2001 Sportage is a foot rest for the driver. he he. Manual Hub installs the same.


02 [color:"red"] Sportie [/color] 5sp 4x4 2dr. 1" Body + 4" Rocksportgear lifts, 31x10.50 Wildcats M/Ts, Manual Hubs, Yakima rack, basket. Redline gear oils
http://www.cardomain.com/id/calapooyas
My beater, 03 Land Rover Freelander SE3

#615793 - 02/22/07 01:22 PM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Calappoyas]  
bensdad  Offline
Need a Spot
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 6
Michigan
Thanks for the reassurance, now I just need to figure out where to get them. We only had the one real snow, likely won't be another major snow this season so there's probably no hurry now. Since I wrote that, it'll probably snow 2' next week...

I'll see if the local parts store can get them resonably. I found them listed on Amazon.com for a pretty resonable price too.


2002 Sportage 4X4 5 SPD, stock.

#615794 - 02/22/07 11:23 PM Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: bensdad]  
logansportage  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,218
Logan, Utah
You might try Six States Distributors or a local 4x4 shop.

They will probably not have them in stock, but can easily order them.

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White 1998 4 door KIA Sportage 4x4 w/Eibach 2.5 spring lift and TJ rear coils, 4crawler 1.5 body lift, Monroe Sensa.trac shocks, Bosch 4+ plugs, Eaton LSD, 31x10.5x15 BFG KM tires, 2.5 cat back exhaust w/SpinTech muffler

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