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Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: logansportage] #615795 07/10/07 01:22 AM
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I just realized my 2000 Sportage 4x4 didn't work last week after getting stuck somewhere where I shouldn't have. From reading all of the previous messages in this forum and many others, I've realized this has probably been broken for awhile, I just didn't know it. My sportage has 99,100 miles on it and when we called the dealer to describe what was happening to the car, he couldn't believe this is the first problem with the 4x4 that we've had.

Anyway, I picked the car up today, and drove about a mile down the road to put gas in the car. When I parked it and cut it off, it started rolling backwards. It was in the park position but wouldn't quit rolling backwards. I re-cranked the car to pull it back up to the gas pump I had been parked at, but it wouldn't go into any gear, but instead made an aweful grinding noise, so I cut it back off. Even after putting the car in park, turning it off, and putting the emergency brake on, it wouldn't quit rolling backwards unless I also held the regular brake.

I got the dealer to send a wrecker to pick us up. They have now told me that when they hooked up the 4x4 after fixing it, that it now has other problems, which will have to be diagnosed and then they will call me and let me know what it is. They said that they could "undo" the work that they had done to fix the 4x4, and I could drive the car until they could figure out what the new problem was and got the parts ordered, which in and of itself does not even make sense.This car has had problem after problem, which I won't go into detail about right now, except to say, every time I've ever had to take this car in for one problem, it always comes back with another more serious one. IF the warranty covered the 1st problem, you can be sure that it will not cover the problem that was created while it was being worked on.

What I'd like to know is what should I expect them to tell me when they call me back tomorrow? This all happened at closing time today, so they said it would be tomorrow before they could give us an idea of what was wrong. I refused to drive the car home, as it is way to close to the warranty running out on the 4x4 in the first place, although the service manager assured me he could "fix" the mileage if I managed to drive over the warranty mileage while waiting on the parts to come in. He also told me to expect that whatever they found wrong with it now, it would not be covered under the same warranty as the 4x4, as it was probably caused by the 4x4 being broken in the first place. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />

Any advice or suggestions are more than welcome!!!

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Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: terlay] #615796 07/10/07 04:07 AM
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I just realized my 2000 Sportage 4x4 didn't work last week after getting stuck somewhere where I shouldn't have. From reading all of the previous messages in this forum and many others, I've realized this has probably been broken for awhile, I just didn't know it. My sportage has 99,100 miles on it and when we called the dealer to describe what was happening to the car, he couldn't believe this is the first problem with the 4x4 that we've had.

Anyway, I picked the car up today, and drove about a mile down the road to put gas in the car. When I parked it and cut it off, it started rolling backwards. It was in the park position but wouldn't quit rolling backwards. I re-cranked the car to pull it back up to the gas pump I had been parked at, but it wouldn't go into any gear, but instead made an aweful grinding noise, so I cut it back off. Even after putting the car in park, turning it off, and putting the emergency brake on, it wouldn't quit rolling backwards unless I also held the regular brake.


It sounds like the transfer case is broken. Question for you. When you picked up the vehicle after the repair was the transfer case in 4H and was the green "4WD" light on? If it was and you drove it on dry pavement chances are you broke the transfer case. You cannot drive a part time 4 wheel drive system in either 4H or 4L on dry pavement. If you do you'll bind the drivetrain and something will break. In your case it sounds like the transfer case gave out. The clue is the inability for the "Park" on the tranny to hold the vehicle in place. The transfer case is located AFTER the transmission and if it blows the park pawl in the tranny won't hold it.

Post back and let us know what they find. I'll lay odds the transfer case is gone.


1998 Sportage - Gone.
2004 Honda Civic Coupe.
2007 Suzuki Grand Vitara - She got it.
Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Axe Man] #615797 07/10/07 08:37 PM
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I just realized my 2000 Sportage 4x4 didn't work last week after getting stuck somewhere where I shouldn't have. From reading all of the previous messages in this forum and many others, I've realized this has probably been broken for awhile, I just didn't know it. My sportage has 99,100 miles on it and when we called the dealer to describe what was happening to the car, he couldn't believe this is the first problem with the 4x4 that we've had.

Anyway, I picked the car up today, and drove about a mile down the road to put gas in the car. When I parked it and cut it off, it started rolling backwards. It was in the park position but wouldn't quit rolling backwards. I re-cranked the car to pull it back up to the gas pump I had been parked at, but it wouldn't go into any gear, but instead made an aweful grinding noise, so I cut it back off. Even after putting the car in park, turning it off, and putting the emergency brake on, it wouldn't quit rolling backwards unless I also held the regular brake.


It sounds like the transfer case is broken. Question for you. When you picked up the vehicle after the repair was the transfer case in 4H and was the green "4WD" light on? If it was and you drove it on dry pavement chances are you broke the transfer case. You cannot drive a part time 4 wheel drive system in either 4H or 4L on dry pavement. If you do you'll bind the drivetrain and something will break. In your case it sounds like the transfer case gave out. The clue is the inability for the "Park" on the tranny to hold the vehicle in place. The transfer case is located AFTER the transmission and if it blows the park pawl in the tranny won't hold it.

Post back and let us know what they find. I'll lay odds the transfer case is gone.


I'm still waiting to hear back from the dealership. I can tell you, when I went to pick the car up, the car was parked in the lot, with the hood still up. The service manager just said they forgot to close it. The first thing I did before pulling out of the lot, was to move the 4x4 shifter to make sure that the 4x4 was dis-engaged. I put the 4x4 shifter in 4L and watched for the light to come on, then 4H and watched for the light to come on, and then back off so that the light went off. I have never driven the car in 4x4 before, except when I tried to use it last week and realized it was broken when it wouldn't work.

The service manager did tell us yesterday that sometimes when the vacuum lines to the 4x4 break, trash, grease, etc will get into the lines and cause other problems, which is what he suspects has happened, since I didn't know how long the lines had been broken. If one doesn't use their 4x4, how are you supposed to know it's broken? I live where we get snow and ice, but I've just not been in a situation where I needed the 4x4 before. I sure wish I'd been reading forums on what to expect with this car before now and I'd have had this checked long ago <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Axe Man] #615798 12/17/07 07:42 AM
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Warning, annoyingly long post...
I am here in a desperate attempt to like my kia sportage... and to stop getting ripped off trying to keep it on the road. I have a 'little' list (sorry)
#1. My 4 wheel drive is NOT working AGAIN, as I discovered tonight when (after a hefty snowfall) it took me 40 minutes to get into my parking spot @ home (after shoveling at work all day) blah. Unfortunately it is not the first time my 4 wheel drive has been out of commision in the middle of a blistery winter, but the other two times the dealer claimed to have "replaced the entire 4 wheel drive system" as it was still under warranty, but never mentioned vacuum hoses or hubs, hm. (I am a girl though ~all sarcastic~ so they love to tell me "ALL KIA's DO THAT" about everything. I don't go to the dealer anymore, grrr, although the thread about the fuel system recall that kia failed to inform me of, almost 2 years ago apparently, has me reconsidering my dealer strike since...
#2- I can smell fuel when I turn on my heater on (awesome) AND it took me like 3 months just to get the air to work on defrost AT ALL (I managed to finally get it to work on floor & defrost so now nobody is allowed to touch the dials!!!)... Back to gas fumes, I now also sometimes hear a hum from the gas cap area when the car is warming up and my mpg is definitely crappy now.
- well there's more (super high idle issue, door lock electrical thing, window 'cabin pressure' thing, check engine light always comes back on, etc.) but that stuff would be pretty off topic for this thread so I'll just say, I DO try to take care of my car but how many jobs does a girl need to have to keep a KIA on the road?
Anyway, I guess I was wondering if anyone knows about how much new hubs run, I checked the warn site... no price list that I saw, and I would love a diagram of the vacuum system since i am probably being dumb now but I think a lot of my recent issues are vacuum related... maybe? I will need to have an mechanic do the work for me but a parts price idea is always good in my attempt to afford 'life'.
Thanks for all these great threads and info... it is very helpfull to see there really are some surviving and even thriving sportages!!! I was ready to go test drive different suv's tomorrow... but you may have swayed me to stick it out a while... I NEED MY 4WD!

Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: taynriv] #615799 12/17/07 03:37 PM
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First, the Warn hubs: Advance Auto Parts can order them for you. They should cost about $150 or so. Any competent mechanic can install them in less than an hour. Note: you didn't say what year your Sportage is. If it's a 2002 Warn will say they won't fit. That is incorrect. They WILL fit.

Having the hub vacuum diagram won't help you. The vacuum system IS the reason the hubs don't work. No amount for "fixing" or modifications will fix it permanently. Manual hubs and disabling the vacuum system is the only good repair.

Gas fumes in the heat: The rubber hoses around the fuel pressure regulator are cracked. Again, a competent mechanic can fix that in about 10 minutes. That regulator is on the front of the fuel rail with the injectors. Show him this thread.

High idle: Known problem. Caused by corrosion on the electrical connectors to several sensors. If you do a search in Kia Tech you'll find the repair for this.

Once you fix the above assorted problems then go after the check engine light. Autozone will read codes for free.


1998 Sportage - Gone.
2004 Honda Civic Coupe.
2007 Suzuki Grand Vitara - She got it.
Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: Axe Man] #615800 12/18/07 06:12 AM
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YAY... there is hope! Thanks so much!!! (It is a 2001 BTW)
I can't wait to have my 4WD back and to be able to be confident it will work when I need it! Kudos! :-)

Last edited by taynriv; 12/18/07 06:16 AM.
Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: taynriv] #615801 12/25/07 06:35 AM
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I have a 2001 with vac hubs, i just bought some warn hubs 60247. "should b here in a week. I was informed that i also need to getthe hub, cam assembly, spindle nut, spindle key and spindle. but was told the kit includes everything i need. if i have to get the parts id like to know b 4 i get involved with doing this little project. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


if speed kill do brakes give life?
Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: snowboardvdr] #615802 12/25/07 07:41 AM
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2001 model is simple...undo 6 bolts around old hub, remove hub, slip new hub on and replace bolts (IIRC with new washers under them). No need to jack vehicle up, 10-15 mins each side tops. No need to touch anything else, the Extras that come included are for use in the earlier "semi automatic" mechanical hubs.


2002 Sporty , Ironman 2.5" spring, 2" body, 15 x 7 ROH wheels, K&N, 15 x 10.5 Simex Centipedes, Powerchip 91.

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Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: DamKia] #615803 12/26/07 12:55 AM
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thanks, i went with the manual cuz i dont mind getting dirty or wet. getting alot of snow here this yr so i need my 4wd. is there anything else i need to get or do also b4 install.. c ya at the mt. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: READ FIRST IF YOUR 4WD DOES NOT WORK [Re: snowboardvdr] #615804 12/26/07 07:36 AM
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Absolutely nothing, just remember to disconnect the electrical connector to the vacuum servo. All the instructions come with the hubs.....


2002 Sporty , Ironman 2.5" spring, 2" body, 15 x 7 ROH wheels, K&N, 15 x 10.5 Simex Centipedes, Powerchip 91.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience!"
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