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91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! #699038 02/21/06 04:37 AM
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Oscar73 Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Hey folks, I've been lurking around here for awhile, doing searches and hunting down as much info as I could about 1st generation Troopers, since I picked one up for the whopping sum of $400 to replace my 73 Suburban as a daily driver.
This Trooper showed signs of having head gasket problems early, so after I'd looked around here, I managed to pick up a 3.4 for the Troop, figuring to swap it in later, when a good chance showed up.

Well, it seems like there's NEVER a good time, as the head gasket problem resurfaced last week, and I have to drive to California in two and a half weeks, so it's engine swap time!

I'd PM'ed Ed Mc, and he sent all the swap info he'd accumulated (Thanks Ed!), but a couple questions. Everything I read mentions dropping the front axle center section by undoing 4 bolts. What size are these? Nobody mentions that. Having the bare bones in metric tools, if there's something I need, I'd sure like to know.

Also, I picked up a 4.3 throttle body w/injectors, and all the plugs match the 2.8... is this a trick? LOL! I haven't quite understood the posts on this, as it seems like everybody has a slightly different throttle body.

Enough for now, I can see eyes glazing over...but thanks in advance for any advice and/or help, and how come there's so many Isuzu guys in Washington?

Jim Sorenson


91 Trooper, now with tasty 3.4 goodness!
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Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: Oscar73] #699039 02/21/06 06:09 AM
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CPOM Offline
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It would be wise to have aleast metric impacts, and 3/8 drive 6 point metric deep sockets at minimum for working on the isuzu nothing else is really special about them that common metric tools won't fit. You might need a few big sizes for pinion nuts, torision bar bolts and driveshaft flanges (27-33mm) but the rest are small.If you search under 4.3 and my username you can see some pics I took when I did my throttle body swap. Good luck.


CHRIS
98 Amigo, 92 Pup

need a pickup 1st gen fuel level sender
Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: CPOM] #699040 02/21/06 07:56 AM
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Oscar73 Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
The impact sockets are something I never would have thought of... since I've never owned an impact wrench, but I've broken enough Craftsman sockets to make it worth getting some. I've got a regular assortment of sockets (1/4 & 3/8, both deep and reg, 12 and 6 point) a handful of open/box wrenches and really big hammers! Just wish I had little Japanese hands.Just getting the spark plugs out for a comprression check was an adventure! I'm used to huge underhood spaces on mid-70's Chev trucks...I'll take a look at the throttle body stuff, thanks!

Jim Sorenson


91 Trooper, now with tasty 3.4 goodness!
Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: Oscar73] #699041 02/22/06 02:57 AM
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Jim, those bolts take a 22MM socket. I had received a Stanley "Professional Grade" impact socket set for Christmas and put it to good use on the 3.1 project. This is a set of 11 1/2"-drive metric deep sockets in a handy-dandy carrying case, ranging in size from 10MM to 24MM. Probably came from Lowe's but I expect Sears has something similar. One conspicuous absence in the Stanley set is a 15MM size, so you'll need one of those, too.

You might also consider picking up a set of metric Gear Wrenches from Sears etc. I usd the Heck out of mine and they're invaluable for getting into those xtra tight places on the 'ZuZu.

And BTW, didn't you know that the PNW is the Isuzu 3.4 Swap Capital of the U.S. ??? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" /> And the home of the Non-Rusting Isuzu !!!!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />

You might also want to pick up a can of PB Blaster penetrant from Wal-Mart etc as those Big Honkin' frame-mount bolts probably need soaking. Several of mine were so frozen to the inner metal spool of the bonded rubber mount that only an impact wrench was able to bust the bolt loose from the sleeve. Try holding an impact wrench up for about 20 minutes while busting away at full force & 110 psi, and you can just imagine the fun time had by all! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

You may also wish for a very stout 1/2" breaker bar to get other reluctant bolts/nuts loose.

On your 4.3 TBI, you may have lucked out and got one that has the same type of connector for the T.P.S. Later TBI's have a different plug which requires replacing the T.P.S. or rewiring the plug.

You will need to do mods to the throttle linkage and probably vacuum port connections but all of the GM TBI's are very similar so you shouldn't have much difficulty with the mods if you read up on the existing mods FAQ's.

P.S. on the tight spaces, be glad it's not a GM FWD'r that requires jacking up the motor or removing a lot of stuff just to get the plugs out!!!!

HTH & Happy Swapping........ed


'90 Troop 3.4 LS
'89 Troop RS (Has Valve Issues, needs Counseling)
HI, I'm Ed and I'm a Trooper-holic!
Keep On Troopin'......
Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: Oscar73] #699042 02/22/06 05:27 AM
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RubyTrooper Offline
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Also, I picked up a 4.3 throttle body w/injectors, and all the plugs match the 2.8... is this a trick? LOL! I haven't quite understood the posts on this, as it seems like everybody has a slightly different throttle body.


Hey, Jim, what make/model/year did you pull that 4.3 TBI from? I am going to be searching for one soon too. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Oh, and really like your thread's Subject line! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> Good luck!

Jim


Isuzu Trooper, '91, 2.8L, 3" PA BL, coil sprung SAS, OX locker front, Detroit back, 5.38 gears...

Ruby's got a theme song!!! Sing-a-long
Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: RubyTrooper] #699043 02/22/06 09:02 AM
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Oscar73 Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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Quote

Also, I picked up a 4.3 throttle body w/injectors, and all the plugs match the 2.8... is this a trick? LOL! I haven't quite understood the posts on this, as it seems like everybody has a slightly different throttle body.


Hey, Jim, what make/model/year did you pull that 4.3 TBI from? I am going to be searching for one soon too. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Oh, and really like your thread's Subject line! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> Good luck!

Jim


Jim,

I had to go search through my email as I forgot where the TBI came from...'90 Astro 4.3 and I found it on eBay. Ten bucks. That's the best I can do there. In lieu of running to the machinist (who's only 6 blocks away, but slow), I may try the TBI spacer to deal with the intake bore difference. Since I've got all the plumbing out, it may speed things up. Yeah, I was wigged out when all the wiring plugs matched! I still think it's a trick.

And Ed, this Troop's from Pennsylvania, but is almost completely rust free... one big scab right behind the Passenger side rear door, where the roof meets the main body.

I've gotten almost everything cleaned off the front of the motor, the driveshafts and crossover pipe unbolted, tomorrow's project is the starter, trans lines, and bellhousing bolts...

Oh, and Sears is having a sale on Craftsman tools. You get a free red canvas tote, plus 10% off anything you can fit inside if you go over $20... yah!

Now to borrow an impact wrench.

More later!

Thanks,
Jim


91 Trooper, now with tasty 3.4 goodness!
Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: Oscar73] #699044 02/22/06 06:19 PM
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CPOM Offline
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Just wish I had little Japanese hands.Just getting the spark plugs out for a comprression check was an adventure! I'm used to huge underhood spaces on mid-70's Chev trucks...


The 2.8 is an american engine nothing Japanese about it, even thoug hit uses metric fittings. I can't imagine what you would call an easy engine to work on if you think these GM engines are tight, my 3.1 had plenty of space everywhere to do what ever you needed done. What do the 70s engines do, remove the spark plugs for you?


CHRIS
98 Amigo, 92 Pup

need a pickup 1st gen fuel level sender
Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: CPOM] #699045 02/22/06 06:27 PM
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onebadtrooper Offline
Body Damage is Cool
I know what he means. Even I have some trouble. Its a pain getting some of the spark plugs out, and setting the timing.
My dads 01 gmc is pretty BIG in the engine conpartment. The older chevy trucks are WAY easy to work on!!!Not many wires or hoses in the way.
Maybe the pickups are alittle bigger??? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: CPOM] #699046 02/22/06 10:41 PM
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Oscar73 Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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Just wish I had little Japanese hands.Just getting the spark plugs out for a comprression check was an adventure! I'm used to huge underhood spaces on mid-70's Chev trucks...


The 2.8 is an american engine nothing Japanese about it, even thoug hit uses metric fittings. I can't imagine what you would call an easy engine to work on if you think these GM engines are tight, my 3.1 had plenty of space everywhere to do what ever you needed done. What do the 70s engines do, remove the spark plugs for you?

Almost. The engine compartments are so big on the 73 and later Chevy/GMC's, you can actually climb in, close the hood and keep working, if you have one like mine, with a small block V8, power steering, power brakes and no other options.The biggest problem there is being able to reach the engine without having to use a stepladder to get to it!

Jim


91 Trooper, now with tasty 3.4 goodness!
Re: 91 Trooper meets 95 3.4 V6, shotgun wedding! [Re: Oscar73] #699047 03/14/06 08:41 AM
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Oscar73 Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Well, it's in and running! Not bad for a one man show, working out in the alley behind my business, working afterhours, and breaking everything down every night! Too many creeps in the alley to leave anything out but the Troop...

I'll tell ya, the guy who makes a 15mm distributor wrench will be MY hero...that's one blocked-up bolt! Thanks to Sears, though, a 15mm universal socket barely got in there.

Didn't put the 4.3 throttle body on, just the injectors. Haven't had the Troop on the road yet, so, I can't tell you about any performance gains. Although, I'm sure I'll get a little better milage without that six feet of skid plate! What can I say, my dad was into Jeeps in the late 60's and early 70's... Jeep clubs <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" /> Me, I'm into nitro-burnin', ground-poundin' front-engine Top Fuelers... and a half-size replacement for my 73 Suburban...

Thanks to Ed Mc and all the others who posted their collective wisdom. The Search feature became my best pal there for a while, and killed a LOT of trees!

Now if I could only figure out the rapidly flashing "Check Trans" light, but it's raining, I'm inside, and it's almost midnight! Tomorrow will have to do!

Jim Sorenson


91 Trooper, now with tasty 3.4 goodness!
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