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Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently #723110 05/13/06 04:25 AM
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TheBandit Offline OP
Rock Warrior
Take a look at that relay rod. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />

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I'm not exactly sure when this happened. I went wheeling a few weeks ago, but I checked under the truck afterwards and didn't see this at that time. I make a habbit of inspecting my truck before I go on long trips, so I would think I would have seen it before I drove 500miles last weekend. I was getting ready to do another long drive today and I'm glad I spotted it. The relay rod is bent pretty bad a few inches from the idler arm. Both the idler and tie rod are rubbing against the frame.

*EDIT* Just got it off and took the idler apart. It's also bent. It's hard to get a good picture, but with lines drawn over it you can kinda see how bad they are.

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I am thankful to be alive and well to post this. Always remember to check things over on your truck before you get in!

PS. No, my '86 is not covered under the relay rod recall and this break is not consistent with that failure. But if you have an '89-'95 Toyota, take it in under the recall and have the relay rod fixed before it cracks and breaks near the pitman arm.


[color:"darkgreen"]1986 4Runner - 4" IFS - 63" Chevys - 33" ATs - 5.29s - Rear Detroit
Sliders - Kayline - Rebuilt 22RE - On Board Air AND Factory AC
www.xtremefabricator.com[/color]
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Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently [Re: TheBandit] #723111 05/13/06 02:21 PM
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do yourself a favor and thrash that steering dampner ,if your front end is in good shape ther eis no need fo it ,plus its at way to much of an angle.

Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently #723112 05/13/06 05:16 PM
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Staceman Offline
Body Damage is Cool
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do yourself a favor and thrash that steering dampner

That's what I was thinking. If it bound up, and looking at it's upper mount, looks like that would bend it.


85 4Runner - With NEW Marlin 4.7 Gears!! It's a whole new beast!
Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently [Re: Staceman] #723113 05/13/06 08:00 PM
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Kyron Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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I need a Thneed
Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently [Re: Kyron] #723114 05/13/06 08:44 PM
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TheBandit Offline OP
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I want to thank my buddy Mikey. He lives down the street from me and just finished his SAS a couple months ago. He generously gave up his steering linkage for me to use. Thanks man!

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His idler arm was quite a bit different from mine. It uses a joint at both ends rather than a rotating shaft. The arm itself is a little beefier to. This came off a '93 (I think?) 4Runner. I wonder if this will last longer than the other design.

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Here it is installed.

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And the replacement linkage in place.

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I left off the stock stabalizer - not because it made any difference or that I wanted to, but because I messed up some of the threads on one of the ends getting it off. I know the Rancho stabalizer isn't at the best angle, but it's not something I'm too concerned with for daily driving. I will move it before I go on my next offroad excursion.


[color:"darkgreen"]1986 4Runner - 4" IFS - 63" Chevys - 33" ATs - 5.29s - Rear Detroit
Sliders - Kayline - Rebuilt 22RE - On Board Air AND Factory AC
www.xtremefabricator.com[/color]
Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently [Re: TheBandit] #723115 05/14/06 12:16 AM
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Kaptain Offline
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...as posted in DKnight's Idler arm post...
"That one you swapped in is a MOOG unit. By the looks of it initially I thought it would hold up but it only lasted about a month before both joints were COMPLETELY shot (This was with 31 x 12.5 SSR's}. With the stock arms the stress is spread out between the top and bottombushings. With the moog idler all of that stress is applied to a single joint which isnt even rebuildable. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> You'll have to let us know how it holds up."


93' Toy xCab
bobbed > 22rEB > w56 > stock duals > SAS > 4.88's > 37's
Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently [Re: TheBandit] #723116 05/14/06 08:41 PM
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jcssurf Offline
Mudrunner
The stabalizer is putting it's force in exactly the direction your relay rod bent. I think it would be the first thing I would change.


90 pickup, 22RE, stiff-ass Ranchos, 2.25 catback, 4:1 header, conical intake, 15x7 ICW alloys, 32x11.50 Dunlop Mud Rovers, 4.56s w/v6 rear

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Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently [Re: Kaptain] #723117 05/15/06 01:32 AM
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BeaterToyota Offline
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...as posted in DKnight's Idler arm post...
"That one you swapped in is a MOOG unit. By the looks of it initially I thought it would hold up but it only lasted about a month before both joints were COMPLETELY shot (This was with 31 x 12.5 SSR's}. With the stock arms the stress is spread out between the top and bottombushings. With the moog idler all of that stress is applied to a single joint which isnt even rebuildable. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> You'll have to let us know how it holds up."



I had one of those also. It lasted exactly one trip on the rocks before it got so bent that it would grind against the frame rail.


Jason

'88 Toyota, flatbed junker, Inchworm dual cases, spooled rear.
Re: Why YOU should inspect your 4x4 frequently [Re: jcssurf] #723118 05/15/06 10:04 PM
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TheBandit Offline OP
Rock Warrior
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The stabalizer is putting it's force in exactly the direction your relay rod bent. I think it would be the first thing I would change.


I am going to change the stabalizer angle, but since it is not bound or bent itself, I do not think it's what caused the relay rod to bend. I'm sure I could be wrong, but even a hardened shaft of that size would not take the load required to bend the relay rod.


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Sliders - Kayline - Rebuilt 22RE - On Board Air AND Factory AC
www.xtremefabricator.com[/color]

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