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Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: yodta] #773395 12/22/06 03:56 AM
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>>>*Well, now I am humbled here, I saw the photos you sent me. I emailed my thoughts regards that.

I think that hopefully simply by error you didn't get what you paid for.

I was thinking that a one man shop just might have problems with timely communication, It wasn't my intent to doubt you since I also know you and you have my respect.

Yes, contact the gentleman and ask for a correction. The photos you sent are of no $1100 job I ever saw. I do know the ability is there, I have seen it.

Hopefully he will take care of you....*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
From the Off-Road World
Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: engnbldr] #773396 12/22/06 05:28 AM
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yodta Offline
Rock Warrior
eh, this all took place 4 or 5 years ago at this point and is water under the bridge.

and to clarify, the photos I sent were of the head fresh from a local machine shop after I'd pulled the head from the engine it was on at the time after losing compression in #4. the photos were more to show you the valves that were supposed to be oversized stainless pieces.

anyway, it's all water under the bridge now, and I don't mean to drag this out any further. I am but one negative in a seemingly longer list of satisfied DOA clients. these things happen sometimes, I understand that. I just like the opportunity to talk about it.

and actually, I have to make a correction. I've been paging through old photos and have to retract my statement about the porting. I don't know much about porting, but it does look quite clean. I will correct my original post. I am not sure why it's stuck in my mind for so long that I thought it sloppy. maybe there were a couple of runners on the exhaust side that looked less finished to me at the time, though I'm not even sure they're supposed to get the same attention as the intake.

Last edited by yodta; 12/22/06 05:38 AM.

msg - '87 xtracab
Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: btn] #773397 12/22/06 04:18 PM
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Not sure on the others, but avoid Jasper or ATK. My Jasper 22RE has burned well over 1 qt of 20W-50 every 1000 miles since I got it.
It's at about 15k miles now (well past any break-in period) and still doing it. Junk.


I'll second staying away from Jasper, their warranty sux (especially for what their engines cost) and in my experience they are a PITA to deal with.

My Jasper 22re was ok for about 5k and then started leaking oil like crazy from the junction between the head and timing cover. I had to fight them to pay labor charges for the repair at their "preferred" shop (couldn't do it myself without voiding the warranty) and it took a month once was all said and done. It is now out of warranty and has about 20k on it and is burning 1qt of oil every 800mi or so <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> I called Jasper and their suggestion was to run high-mileage 20w-50 in it and that should "fix" the problem...

I'm planning to ditch the POS as soon as I get my Supra put together and will be rebuilding my extra 7mgte and dropping it in, hopefully in the next year or so.


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Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: Dok] #773398 12/22/06 06:12 PM
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yodta Offline
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wow Josh, I didn't know you were having trouble with yours. ha, and you were the other person I was gonna cite for having experience with Jasper!


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Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: Dok] #773399 12/23/06 06:22 AM
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Not sure on the others, but avoid Jasper or ATK. My Jasper 22RE has burned well over 1 qt of 20W-50 every 1000 miles since I got it.
It's at about 15k miles now (well past any break-in period) and still doing it. Junk.


I'll second staying away from Jasper, their warranty sux (especially for what their engines cost) and in my experience they are a PITA to deal with.

My Jasper 22re was ok for about 5k and then started leaking oil like crazy from the junction between the head and timing cover. I had to fight them to pay labor charges for the repair at their "preferred" shop (couldn't do it myself without voiding the warranty) and it took a month once was all said and done. It is now out of warranty and has about 20k on it and is burning 1qt of oil every 800mi or so <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> I called Jasper and their suggestion was to run high-mileage 20w-50 in it and that should "fix" the problem...

I'm planning to ditch the POS as soon as I get my Supra put together and will be rebuilding my extra 7mgte and dropping it in, hopefully in the next year or so.


I am going to ditch mine too. I am going to do what I should have done in the first place and go straight factory on the head and block. Toyota doesnt sell replacement long block 22REs but they sell the finished block and head parts separately. It just strengthens my philosophy that straight Toyota OEM is the only way to do it right. Expensive, but you get what you pay for. I need to do it before Toyota stops selling them. Last of the great japanese straight 4s.


1989 reg cab pickup, 22re, 31s, 4.56s, rear ARB, rear OME springs, RS9000s, otherwise stock.

Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: btn] #773400 12/23/06 08:25 AM
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4WD22R Offline
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Not sure on the others, but avoid Jasper or ATK. My Jasper 22RE has burned well over 1 qt of 20W-50 every 1000 miles since I got it.
It's at about 15k miles now (well past any break-in period) and still doing it. Junk.


I'll second staying away from Jasper, their warranty sux (especially for what their engines cost) and in my experience they are a PITA to deal with.

My Jasper 22re was ok for about 5k and then started leaking oil like crazy from the junction between the head and timing cover. I had to fight them to pay labor charges for the repair at their "preferred" shop (couldn't do it myself without voiding the warranty) and it took a month once was all said and done. It is now out of warranty and has about 20k on it and is burning 1qt of oil every 800mi or so <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" /> I called Jasper and their suggestion was to run high-mileage 20w-50 in it and that should "fix" the problem...

I'm planning to ditch the POS as soon as I get my Supra put together and will be rebuilding my extra 7mgte and dropping it in, hopefully in the next year or so.


I am going to ditch mine too. I am going to do what I should have done in the first place and go straight factory on the head and block. Toyota doesnt sell replacement long block 22REs but they sell the finished block and head parts separately. It just strengthens my philosophy that straight Toyota OEM is the only way to do it right. Expensive, but you get what you pay for. I need to do it before Toyota stops selling them. Last of the great japanese straight 4s.




Huh? Since when does Toyota sell blocks? Either I'm a little drunk, or you are mis-informed. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" /> BTW isn't every 4banger a "straight 4" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: 4WD22R] #773401 12/23/06 10:48 AM
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Ganoid Offline
Mudrunner
All of my bad experiences with DOA where a while back as well. I still have the E-mails from Tim (only got 2 for my $1200 loss) and everything seems to be early 2004. Not to try and defend him in any way but its possible he may indeed have his $hit together now as most of the problems I have seen have been in years past?


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Re: D.O.A. or LC Engine [Re: yodta] #773402 12/23/06 06:34 PM
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Dok Offline
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wow Josh, I didn't know you were having trouble with yours. ha, and you were the other person I was gonna cite for having experience with Jasper!


Yea, I stopped complaining here because I got flamed the last time... The water pump they provided in thier install kit crapped out on me after about 10k as well.

The chrysler mechanic that ordered the engine for me (discount) also bought one of their 3vzes for his son's truck and they've had to tear into it a couple of times for timing belt related issues.

I understand that they are a mass mfg and will have issues, but when the only 2 options they provide when you have an issue are do it yourself and void the warranty, or pay partial labor for diagnostics and repair (they only cover $40/hr for labor, find me a shop that charges that...) the warranty is pretty much worthless unless your motor grenades itself (in which case you still have to cover the partial labor).

I didn't have time to do a rebuild myself (only 1 weekend to get it done), but in hindsight, I probably would have ordered a $500 shortblock from united engine and a head from EB. I could have built 2 engines this way and still saved money...


'87 4-Runner--DD/wheeler, 4.3 swap coming soon
'89 Supra--E85 powered 2jz NA-T Swap, 533rwhp 497ft-lbs
'89 Festiva, turboed BP swap powered by megasquirt
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