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Media Matters #840095
10/06/07 07:12 PM
10/06/07 07:12 PM
Lloyd Swartz  Offline OP
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As genius as Hillary is, what an amazing thing to organize. If her socialist ideals don't scare you, how about her attacks on free speech. Not seeing much in the media on it, and her move to quickly admit her involvement certainly helped her. But wow, nothing is beyond the Clintons!

Can you imagine if a Republican pulled something like seeking to stop free speach <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Media Matters [Re: Lloyd Swartz] #840096
10/06/07 09:33 PM
10/06/07 09:33 PM
Brian894X4  Offline
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Can you imagine if a Republican pulled something like seeking to stop free speach <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />


You mean like when Trent Lott got all pissy about Talk Radio because his big business buddies couldn't get amnesty passed, thanks to the grass roots movement and up cry that stopped it? Talk about implying to stop free speech.

The whole reason this country is screwed up is because we've been suckered into fighting each over partisan crap and believing in our two party system. There is not one difference between Clinton and Bush. They are both scum. And they both only care about the powerful people that run this country and the world. They pick issues that they know will divide, and then their parties set out to brain wash their constituents that healthcare for children is evil or guns are the root cause of all crime.

Every single mainstream candidate on both sides is scum and so is every single powerful Senator and Congressman.

I don't like Clinton one bit, but I refuse to play their game because it’s exactly what they want. The last thing the powerful elite want is for Americans to unite under a common ideology, such as protecting and promoting our freedom, democracy and our Constitution, because that's the only time they are threatened.

As long as we continue to bicker along party lines and minor issues, they remain in power. If you don't think these people aren't close friends behind closed doors, you aren't paying attention. Just look at the Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton.

We think we live in a true Democracy, just because we get to vote, but it really isn't much different than many totalitarian countries, because we are really basically handed a short list of candidates from which to choose from, just like in Iran, Pakistan, Russia, etc.

But this time around there really is an alternative. A candidate who not everyone will agree with on everything, but who is not bought and paid for. He's rising up thanks almost exclusively from a grass roots campaign by ordinary average people. Not special interests or big business.

And unlike other alternative candidates, he's not buying his way to office, from his own money. I.e. Romney today and Perot from the past.

Of course, I'm talking about Ron Paul.

I know his chances are slim to none, although we are far from over in this election. But trust me, even if he remains to have no chance in hell of winning, I will never, ever, ever cast another vote for a mainstream piece of garbage, whether that be Clinton, Bush, Guliani, McCain, Oboma, Thompson….or pick yer poison.

Consider my vote for Ron Paul a protest. At least I will go down with the ship with a clear conscious. As a two time Bush voter, I have a lot to atone for.

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Re: Media Matters [Re: Lloyd Swartz] #840097
10/06/07 09:51 PM
10/06/07 09:51 PM
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Media Matter for America, what a load of garbage they are. They are the ones who "broke the story" on Rush's alleged attack on U.S. troops yet they are the same outfit that defend Obama's, Kerry's, and Murtha's attacks. What a two-faced organization.


If you were a soldier is this the kind of comment you would want to hear out of your potential commander-in-chief? (not that I feel he will win)

Obama Story


Kerry called our soldiers terrorists and was also defended.

Kerry story


Murtha called our Marines murderers and he has still not apologized.

Murtha story


All these guys are still heroes to the left yet when Rush says, "the media strapped those lies to his beltthen sent him out to walk into as many people as he can." (the soldier suicide bomber comment) While I personally feel this was a careless comment I don't understand why he is being attacked by the liberals when their own people have said worse and get off scott-free.


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Re: Media Matters [Re: Brian894X4] #840098
10/06/07 10:01 PM
10/06/07 10:01 PM
bretwalda  Offline
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Posts: 3,634
Milwaukee WI
A hearty Amen to all that Brian. Well said. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

as its been said before


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Re: Media Matters [Re: bretwalda] #840099
10/07/07 07:14 AM
10/07/07 07:14 AM
Hydra747  Offline
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Brian you just made a friend here! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />



Seriously, I like R.Paul (will he win)? Prolly Not!

I always said that H.Clinton Already had 8 LONG years to do her stuff. And no reservation at the Inn! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />


Media is certainly the marketing tool (a vehicle for which they tie) and ultimately gain the proposals and agendas.

What matters most unfortunately is the fact of how much money one has as well as the politics concerning usage of that format (includes all of them).

Gore, Nader, And R.Perrot have tried this route to no avail.

That tells me that the American process is working....or is it?


I often wonder............................. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Media Matters [Re: Lloyd Swartz] #840100
10/07/07 07:18 AM
10/07/07 07:18 AM
Hydra747  Offline
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As genius as Hillary is, what an amazing thing to organize. If her socialist ideals don't scare you, how about her attacks on free speech. Not seeing much in the media on it, and her move to quickly admit her involvement certainly helped her. But wow, nothing is beyond the Clintons!

Can you imagine if a Republican pulled something like seeking to stop free speach <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />


The media is so Far left that it is almost always Foul Ball And we are the umpires <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />

Rules of the game gentlemen!

Rules of the game....This has been the case since during and after the 2nd World War!


But I"m sure ya'll knew this already........


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Re: Media Matters [Re: Hydra747] #840101
10/07/07 11:04 AM
10/07/07 11:04 AM
Brian894X4  Offline
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Ron Paul is a statesman. He would have been a founding father had he been born at the time. We certainly can't say that of any of the other current candidates.

Paul will not be the Republican nominee. That's a given. But it's what happens after that, that things will get exciting. I can't imagine him not running as an independent. So let's assume he does.

Paul is a candidate that appeals to both sides for a variety of reasons. Unlike other independent candidates, who generally only appeal to the far left or far right, Paul has stances on very important issues that appeal to both sides.

Right now there are many liberals and conservatives that like the guy, but he's only running on the Republican ticket, so liberals and Democrats aren't taking him seriously yet.

But that will change with people from parties quickly get disgusted with their nominee and start looking for an alternative. That includes those on the left that are sick and tired of Hillary's flipping in the wind position on the war, and those on the right that are tired of Guilani's positions on gun control, amnesty and even abortion.

I don't think there has ever been a candidate that scares the establishment as much as Paul does since at least JFK.


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Re: Media Matters [Re: Brian894X4] #840102
10/07/07 04:20 PM
10/07/07 04:20 PM
cmonty72  Offline
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Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,950
Hamburg MI ****
I'm with you Brian. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

God I hope Hillary does not get elected. I agree with folks that think she would be worse then Dubya. I dont know how she could be worse but I'm sure she will try. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Media Matters [Re: cmonty72] #840103
10/10/07 05:12 AM
10/10/07 05:12 AM
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Re: Media Matters [Re: Tag] #840104
10/10/07 06:05 AM
10/10/07 06:05 AM
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