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IFS lift #849321
11/28/07 09:08 PM
11/28/07 09:08 PM
JTW  Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 97
Vancouver, British Columbia
Is the only way to lift the front end of an IFS by adjusting the torsion bar? That seems to be the theme with the suspension lifts from indy.


1991 Trooper, 3.4L, holley tbi, 3" body lift on 33" bfg AT's, indy HD lift shackles, G80, MUA 5, Power windows and locks. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3133352
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Re: IFS lift [Re: JTW] #849322
11/28/07 09:15 PM
11/28/07 09:15 PM
Jim_Paget  Offline
Roll Me Over
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,868
Mount Vernon, WA, USA
That's it. While over the years people have said that there "ought" to be a way to make an IFS lift kit, there are significant geometry differences from say, a GMC pickup. In addition, there really isn't a large enough market to make the necessary development costs viable for a manufacturer.


Jim Paget
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Re: IFS lift [Re: JTW] #849323
11/28/07 11:26 PM
11/28/07 11:26 PM
BigSwede  Offline
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Minnetonka, Minnesota
That, and most serious IFS lift kits are in excess of $2000...most of us Isuzu guys are cheap bastards... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


Steve Carlson - 95 Trooper LS expo rig
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Re: IFS lift [Re: BigSwede] #849324
11/29/07 02:58 AM
11/29/07 02:58 AM
blackdemon  Offline
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Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 56
Renton, WA
I know that isuzus are UNIQUE compare to other similar trucks (Toyota, Nissan) I don't know much about Toyotas but one thing I always notice is that most Toyotas seem to have a lot of clearance for a stuck truck... am I right? Or itís just an optical illusion? My question is, Are Isuzuís IFS a lot different from Toyotas of any year?

Sal



~1992 Isuzu Amigo 4x4~
* 3.2L DOCH V6
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Re: IFS lift [Re: blackdemon] #849325
11/29/07 03:11 AM
11/29/07 03:11 AM
JTW  Offline OP
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 97
Vancouver, British Columbia
Too bad. So what is the most anyone will want to lift the front with the torsion bars? I posted in tech about cranking the torsion bars, but still am wondering this. Last night I went and turned them to give me another 1.75" up front, just want to know how much more is safe. After you lift the front that way do you have to drive it around a bit before you measure to see how much the front has ACTUALLY gone up? I just turned and measured.


1991 Trooper, 3.4L, holley tbi, 3" body lift on 33" bfg AT's, indy HD lift shackles, G80, MUA 5, Power windows and locks. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3133352
Re: IFS lift [Re: blackdemon] #849326
11/29/07 04:59 AM
11/29/07 04:59 AM
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holger  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,873
Walnut Creek, CA
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I always notice is that most Toyotas seem to have a lot of clearance for a stuck truck... am I right? Or itís just an optical illusion?


this is not an illusion... Isuzus are really very well built trucks, but the engineers obviously did not care much about the clearance. The way how the sub-systems attached to each other is not good for the ground clearance and for the lift overall.

When I had helped by buddy to lift his Montero 3", I was surprised that the CV angles on his Montero became almost neutral after the lift ! The Montero's CVs are designed very lift-friendly: on a stock truck, the angle is negative; when you lift it, it becomes neutral. Compare it to the usual Isuzu problems with steep CV angles.

The same is true in regard to the configuration of the transmissions and TCs (especially if you compare it to the Toyotas). With the same tire size, a stock Isuzu has less ground clearance than a stock Tacoma.

We just have to try harder.


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
Re: IFS lift [Re: JTW] #849327
11/29/07 05:25 AM
11/29/07 05:25 AM
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4WheelDriveJoe  Offline
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Joined: May 2007
Posts: 52
Portland, Or
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Too bad. So what is the most anyone will want to lift the front with the torsion bars? I posted in tech about cranking the torsion bars, but still am wondering this. Last night I went and turned them to give me another 1.75" up front, just want to know how much more is safe. After you lift the front that way do you have to drive it around a bit before you measure to see how much the front has ACTUALLY gone up? I just turned and measured.


You're going to max out at about 3 bone jarring inches of lift with your Trooper. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> I hated how mine rode after that much cranking so I SAS'd it. I've since realized that I would rather run mostly stock and just armor the hell out of the underside. Toyotas do come with more stock ground clearance, but they are not nearly as unique. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


97 Rodeo

Re: IFS lift [Re: 4WheelDriveJoe] #849328
12/05/07 03:44 AM
12/05/07 03:44 AM
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pete3  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 120
longview, tx
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I've since realized that I would rather run mostly stock


are you saying that you regret the sas?


pete
1989 trooper-3" susp. lift, h.d. indy4x tie rods, aisins, tera lows, aussie locker(front)/lincoln locker(rear), 33" mud grapplers on black rock crawlers, homemade bumpers and sliders, hella 500's, surco roof rack, paint & body by busch light
Re: IFS lift [Re: pete3] #849329
12/05/07 01:50 PM
12/05/07 01:50 PM
paulevans76  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,810
Greenville, NC
yotas have a lot of clearance at the rockers and mostly underneath, but they have a plow for a t-case crossmember. when i look at my trooper from the side, there isn't much hanging down past the frame at all.


88 Troop - Posing yard art
Re: IFS lift [Re: paulevans76] #849330
12/06/07 12:18 AM
12/06/07 12:18 AM
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holger  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,873
Walnut Creek, CA
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when i look at my trooper from the side, there isn't much hanging down past the frame at all.


Troopers are really not that bad. The 2nd gen Rodeos (and Axioms) have more clearance problems.


Oleg
Axiom 4WD 2004: OME shocks, 32" BFG Mudders, RockSliderz, OME929+2" spacers, Stinkyfab bent RE rear links, front ARB locker, rear No-Slip locker, DOR front axle lowering kit, custom middle section skid plate, IronMan torsion bars.
Deceased Rodeo'02 4WD.
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