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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: RichinROA] #859081
01/11/08 03:58 AM
01/11/08 03:58 AM
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heh...hehheh...heh...he said Sheetz...


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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: off-roader] #859082
01/11/08 04:15 AM
01/11/08 04:15 AM
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I found this article pretty interesting...

The short of it is... is top tier gas (chevron, shell, texaco) better than bargain gas (arco, rotten robbie, etc.)?

According to this article I just read on Yahoo.com... NO. Even with the proprietary additives, it's not.

Reference material...
http://www.yahoo.com/s/780001
http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/080104/24176.html?.v=1&.pf=insurance


>>>*I owned gasoline stations early on in my business career, mostly Texacos. Later on we operated independents.

The differences seemed to be marketing, things like that. Gasoline seemed to be gasoline, all there was too it. A difference in grades but that was it.

But lately I noticed something though. We travel from our Warren home to the one at the coast and have been for over a year now. This means we are on the freeway at close to 75 MPH for a vast majority of the trip, the rest being the same.

We typically use Shell since that station is handy, no other reason. Plus our Dog likes their attendent, he gives her a cookie...*LOL**..

But Chinook Winds gave us some free $50 gas cards as a birthday present, then again for Christmas. Those were Chevron. We had four of them so why not use Chevron?

On Shell, we get 27.7 MPG regular as clockwork. On the Chevron, it dropped to 25.4. As soon as the cards were empty, we went back to Shell. Right back to 27.7 mpg.

Something is different, perhaps the amount of alcohol maybe?....*EB


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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: engnbldr] #859083
01/11/08 09:06 AM
01/11/08 09:06 AM
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I have heard that most of our gas in the Portland area is all obtained from the same tank farm. I think the on up in Northeast Portland. Basically different brand trucks all pull up draw the same basic gas from the same basic tank and then the proprietary additive is added to the truck?

Maybe I'm wrong.

There is one other thing. I think the regulation of the gas varies by state. I've "heard" that Oregon, for example, has poor to no regulation of its gas. California, for example, is probably very strict, but that's just an assumption on my part based on how strict they are with their CARB standard.


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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: engnbldr] #859084
01/11/08 02:45 PM
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Quote
I found this article pretty interesting...

The short of it is... is top tier gas (chevron, shell, texaco) better than bargain gas (arco, rotten robbie, etc.)?

According to this article I just read on Yahoo.com... NO. Even with the proprietary additives, it's not.

Reference material...
http://www.yahoo.com/s/780001
http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/080104/24176.html?.v=1&.pf=insurance


>>>*I owned gasoline stations early on in my business career, mostly Texacos. Later on we operated independents.

The differences seemed to be marketing, things like that. Gasoline seemed to be gasoline, all there was too it. A difference in grades but that was it.

But lately I noticed something though. We travel from our Warren home to the one at the coast and have been for over a year now. This means we are on the freeway at close to 75 MPH for a vast majority of the trip, the rest being the same.

We typically use Shell since that station is handy, no other reason. Plus our Dog likes their attendent, he gives her a cookie...*LOL**..

But Chinook Winds gave us some free $50 gas cards as a birthday present, then again for Christmas. Those were Chevron. We had four of them so why not use Chevron?

On Shell, we get 27.7 MPG regular as clockwork. On the Chevron, it dropped to 25.4. As soon as the cards were empty, we went back to Shell. Right back to 27.7 mpg.

Something is different, perhaps the amount of alcohol maybe?....*EB

ethanol content might be different.
i know when i start getting bad mileage it's time for an oil change.
I usually run shell in my truck (it's right beside my house and they give air miles)


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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: CapnCrunch] #859085
01/11/08 03:22 PM
01/11/08 03:22 PM
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heh...hehheh...heh...he said Sheetz...


I had Sheetz this morning. Truck needed a fill up, and wifey wanted the Hyundai for the day.


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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: Greg_Canada] #859086
01/11/08 03:31 PM
01/11/08 03:31 PM
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Something I had heard from a filter rep (his BIL is a refinery somethin-er-nuther), may be no truth to it. He was saying that the "law" allows for a certain % of water by volume. When gas prices went thru the roof after Katrina, some of the companies maxed out the water content to stretch the gas. Like I said, I have nothing to back this up with and it's purely hearsay.


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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: hazy_daze] #859087
01/11/08 04:05 PM
01/11/08 04:05 PM
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Something I had heard from a filter rep (his BIL is a refinery somethin-er-nuther), may be no truth to it. He was saying that the "law" allows for a certain % of water by volume. When gas prices went thru the roof after Katrina, some of the companies maxed out the water content to stretch the gas. Like I said, I have nothing to back this up with and it's purely hearsay.


>>>*I have heard that also but added water always goes right to the bottom since it is much heavier than the fuel.

The underground tanks all have drain sumps, like any tank there is moisture in the air, and air is drawn in as fuel is pumped out. It has to of course or the pumps won't run. The tanks are tested with a stick, a dab of paste on the stick shows any water, we used to see 1/8th inch or so when we tested, the underground pickups are 10" higher.

Those sumps hold about 50 gallons or so and in theory never get up to the pickup in the storage tank. I say "In theory" because I remember one day when a station down the street got flooded a little in a downpour. Apparently the tank lid wasn't properly seated and since tanks get measured daily with a long stick the operator was lazy and didn't lock the lid down.

There were about 30 cars stalled in the streets in all directions, that one made the news. Water and gasoline do not work well together.

I think my mileage difference is related to alcohol content, that they do add. The station we use is outside of Portland. I am fairly sure we are getting straight gasoline at that Shell station and gasahol at the Chevron.

I can't prove that but I do know the Shell gas makes better power, at least during that period where I got to see the difference.

Brian is right, out at the tank farms on highway 30, we see Texacos, Chevron, Shell, and every other logoed truck pull up to the same terminal. So they either have some button they push or it's all the same stuff. The Chevron we used was at the coast so it would be a different terminal, probably the Astoria facility. Our Columbia County Shell comes from the Linton, and there is an obvious difference....*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: LRJ4x4] #859088
01/11/08 04:26 PM
01/11/08 04:26 PM
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<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> gas is gas



Good statement! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: Hydra747] #859089
01/11/08 04:29 PM
01/11/08 04:29 PM
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Cherokee County, GA
DId you buy yours off ebay? 5 cents with $14.99 shipping?


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99 TacoTRD 177K

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Re: Are premium brand gasolines (chevron, etc.) worth it? [Re: RichinROA] #859090
01/11/08 04:34 PM
01/11/08 04:34 PM
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No you have to buy a chip from sim make/model then send it to Australia to get re-programmed----Then put it in ur vehicle Total cost of about $300.00! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />


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