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Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: Peabody] #866888 01/02/14 10:24 PM
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What forum are u referring to? I just need a phone #, or the name of the company that makes the locker, or business that sells one. I read eaton makes one but no luck getting a part #. I just have very little time to lift, and lock @ least the rear. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: RyanR] #866889 01/03/14 02:30 AM
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Send Everet a PM. He can point you in the right direction.

There is a seller on eBay (Just Differentials) that was selling the Eaton clutch LSDs for the 1st gen Sportages. However, they only show a listing for the 26 spline unit. You need the 28 spline LSD for your rear axle. The front is a 26 spline (Kia never changed the front axle design). You can use a LSD spec'd for the Mazda Miata ('94-'08) for the front axle. I have a gear-based LSD in my Sporty's front axle. It works great.

NOTE: The differentials for the front and rear axles ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!!! The rear has a 7.5 inch ring gear. The front uses a 7 inch ring gear. The Miata years noted above used the 7 inch ring gear in the rear axle, with the exact same specs for the diffential that Kia used for the front axle (EXACT!!!). But that's just for the differential carrier and side bearings. The pinions and pinion bearings may be different. Ah, but I digress...

Anyhoo, if you want a clutch LSD for the rear, you will either have to find one used or get one through the dealer. Eaton quit making the Sportage LSDs years ago. The only ones left are old stock and are really hard to find. However, Eaton made the LSDs for Kia. So the dealer part is the same as the aftermarket Eaton.

I looked at one of the Kia parts online websites and found this page: Kia parts - 2001 rear axle assembly. Look at items 8 and 10. You want the "limited slip" parts. Part #8 is the complete differential with housing. That will be the easiest to install (just bolt it onto the axle). Part # 10 will require transferring the ring and pinion gear. And if you went that route, you'd be better off replacing all of the bearings at the same time. For the price, to include labor if you would need a shop to do the set up, it would be cheaper to just buy the complete housing (#8). Trust me. I've been through this. Again, Everet knows a guy through another forum that can get the dealer parts at or near cost. That can save you a few bucks, for sure. Send Everet a PM. That's your best bet...

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: Peabody] #866890 01/03/14 05:15 AM
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For general beach driving, I found a stock standard Sporty to be more than ample (I'd get manual hubs though..).

For tracks with big holes, my front TF locker pulls through all I've encountered so far - maybe easier to obtain the TF front locker compared to the Eaton?
I'd go for a locker over an LSD any day, I don't find my rear factory LSD does much..

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Long a$$ 2000 Sporty, auto, 5.38 gears, TF front locker, 4"+ front lift (Kings +40 springs, 50mm spacers, 1.5" diff drop), TJ 104 rears 3" + 50mm coil spacers, 1.5" body lift, 31/10.5r15's on 15x8 Kings (ET-13), WARN manuals, Smart Bar, spotties
Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: Davey] #866891 01/03/14 05:25 PM
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Thanks for all the help. I called Kia and gave them the vin# and they said the one I'm working on came with a LSD, but it sure acts like a open diff. Tires turn opposite direction when rear jacked up. Must be wore out. Maybe I can take it to my rear end guy,and he can make it stiffer. I'll try calling a miata parts outlet for front. I assume the factory front is open.

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Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: RyanR] #866892 01/03/14 09:19 PM
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I tried ordering 1998 jeep Tj 106 AA rear springs and know one has any idea what 106AA means.

Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: RyanR] #866893 01/04/14 07:20 AM
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OK... I had to do a bit of research on this one, just so I had my facts straight.

The Jeep springs used to lift the rear of the Sportage are 104AA, 105AA and 106AA. The OEM springs all have tags on them with these numbers. They were used on Wrangler TJ models, though they may have also been used on the Cherokee models too. Each tag number is thought to reflect a different spring rate, with 104AA being the lower/softer spring, 105AA in the middle and 106AA being the stiffest. However, it could really be a reference to the load rating. I think the springs all have the same height. But they compress differently under load, thus giving the Sportage varying degrees of lift (approximately 3", 3.5" and 4" lift, respectively). Again, that could be due to varying spring rate or load rating. But that's splitting hairs...

Regarding the purchasing of springs - new springs, specifically - you will probably only find the 106AA springs through a Jeep dealer. The after market options are coil springs with the part numbers 3229 or 3227 (Moog and a few other manufacturers use these numbers). The 3229 springs are standard for the Jeep Wrangler, and appear to fit all models within the line, regardless of submodel (i.e. Sport, Sahara, etc). The specs, per the Moog catalog are as follows:

Spring rate: 200
Uncompressed length: 11.28 inches
Bar diameter (diameter of the spring steel): 0.625 inches
Load rating: 653 (LBS, I think)

The 3227 springs are standard on the Rubicon line. I had to back-track to a message I had received from Everet that pointed me towards some aftermarket springs for the 2000 Jeep Rubicon. This was the fix for my Sporty's "loose rear" after adding dual batteries, a big steel bumper with swing-out spare tire mount, cargo rack and 2 gas cans (5 gallons each) on the back end. They are the springs I'm running now. They tightened up the ride, but aren't too stiff. To be honest, they are perfect for my gypsy wagon. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> I'm very happy with them. I would "guess-timate" these as being the 106AA equivalents. Here are the specs from the Moog catalog:

Spring rate: 200
Uncompressed length: 12.113 inches
Bar diameter (diameter of the spring steel): 0.625 inches
Load rating: 821


Summary: Look for aftermarket coil springs with the part number 3229 (standard TJ line) or 3227 (newer model Rubicon). They both will do the job. But I suspect the 3227 will give you a bit more lift and stiffness, or perhaps better handling with a heavier load, which was the case with my Sporty... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: Peabody] #866894 01/04/14 09:11 PM
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Did a little more research on the 3229 and 3227 coil springs from Moog. The 3227 is used on the Wrangler Sport (2002-2003), Sahara (2003-2004) and Rubicon (2003-2006), while the 3229 is used on the Wrangler Sahara (1997-2004), X model (2002-2005) and Sport (1997-2005) - all with the 4.0L/6 cylinder engine. The take-home on this is the Moog 3229 and 3227 springs are direct replacements for the 104AA/105AA and 106AA, respectively. The amount of lift and stiffness of ride will vary. But I'd expect the 3229 springs from Moog to be compatible with a 3-3.5 inch front spacer lift, while the 3227 would likely work better with a full 4 inch spacer lift in the front. Take that all with a grain of salt, though, because the size of your Sporty (2 door vs 4 door) and the amount of "gypsy" you have strapped to the <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> will affect the stiffness of the ride and the amount of observed lift. Also, the load ratings are in my previous post are in pounds, while the spring rates are pounds per inch (lbs/in). If I were doing a lift on a 2 door, I would probably go with the 3229 springs, being that the body is lighter and the amount of compression from body weight will be less. As far as pricing, either set sells in the $59-$75 range (US prices). There's no difference in cost between the two. Food for thought...

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: Peabody] #866895 01/04/14 09:20 PM
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And, for reference, here are some pics of the springs that were/are on my Sporty. The stock (KIA) rear spring is on the left, the 105AA that I had been running prior to adding the bumper and batteries to the back is center, and the 106AA equivalent is on the right. The spring on the right is about an inch taller than the 105AA. But it might be hard to tell from the camera angle.

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1997 Sportage 4x4, auto-trans, Warn manual hubs, 4" UPYOURKIA front lift, TJ 106AA rear springs, 2-5/8" body lift, 31x10.50 treads, SmittyBilt SRC front and XRC rear bumper, swing-out tire mount, OBX LSD front diff, Track Finder rear locker, 5.38 R&Ps and... really crappy gas mileage! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />
Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: Peabody] #866896 01/06/14 05:44 PM
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Thanks for all the help.

Re: Lifting a kia sportage? Look here first! Also tire size recommendations. [Re: RyanR] #866897 01/09/14 05:15 PM
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So I have everything ordered for the lift. I'll let everyone know how the install goes.

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