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#867051 - 02/04/08 09:03 PM how long do your tires last?  
trashcanman  Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 61
Looking for an aggressive 4x4 tire that will give me some bite without sacrificing drivabilty and longevity

Love,
Trash


From the Off-Road World

#867052 - 02/04/08 11:37 PM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: trashcanman]  
DRTDEVL  Offline
Roll Me Over
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,915
HELL Paso, TX *****
I am selling my set of Mud Kings locally (in Germany now) with 75% tread remaining...

I bought them 6 years ago. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Gone over 40,000 miles thus far.


"A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living." - John F. Kennedy

Proud owner of an 88 Montero (with a blown engine).

#867053 - 02/05/08 03:11 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: trashcanman]  
Jeepeater  Offline
Rock Warrior
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 706
Northern California
I'm running 33x12.5 BFG muds. They were the 'new' version when the tire was redesigned a few years or so ago. I expect to get 80,000 miles out of them. How? Heck if I know. I got about the same number of miles out of a few sets of the 'old' version in the same size, too. They are siped and regularly balanced/rotated.

Not as if balancing or rotating makes any difference. I hate these tires and have hated them since day one with said hatred growing a little bit more each day. I've had multiple tire failures for one. Sure, they were covered under warranty, but the PIA factor was up there. Secondly, and more importantly in my opinion, is that they will NOT run smooth no matter what. My old BFG muds were the same size and siped and they rode as smooth as can be. This newer version just sucks. At certain revs, the truck vibrates. It's enough to make me absolutely insane but I'm rather picky.

The driveshaft is balanced and spot on, the rear end was recently rebuilt and is spot on, the pinion angle is spot on, axles are straight etc... I just don't like these tires. If they weren't so much money, I'd yank them off and replace them with something else.

*whew* rant off


#867054 - 02/05/08 03:51 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: trashcanman]  
sdsnowman  Offline
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Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 268
san diego california
BFG makes a fantastic tire with a very hard rubber and super tough sidewall.

BFG mud terrains and all terrains are the best tires out there- i think most would agree.


#867055 - 02/05/08 04:17 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: sdsnowman]  
Greg_Canada  Offline
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Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,854
Toronto, Canada
Jeepeater it's funny you say that.
I run 33x12.5 bfg m/t's on mickey thomson classic locks, and i use NO balancing weights and my truck rides as smooth as can be. Personally i love these tires.


89 4Runner
3" BL, M/T locks, 33"bfg mt, bilstein, Kayline, tubebumper, toyotafiberglass panels
TBI: Elocker,3.4 w/ORS,b+b,S2Sstg2cams,arias pistons,P+P intake,TRDs/c,URDpullies+7th,downey headers,MAPECU2,WEGO WB, SupraMAF,walboro255,stg4clutch, EPaOo2 sim

#867056 - 02/05/08 05:16 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: Greg_Canada]  
94svt50  Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 65
up on a hill in ky
Im running Firestone destination M/T and have been pretty happy with them. Not many miles yet. They run much smoother and quieter then the Dunlop Mud rovers that I just wore out. After a bit of age they just would not balance any more. Wore them smooth in about 45k miles.


-1989 4x4 22re(pretty good in the mud)
- custom steel flat bed-oneside of exhaust system, and air box intake off cobra.(doesnt quite have the v8 rumble)AFM off '82 Supra.
-Destination M/T 31"-KYB monomax shocks-"add a leaf"

#867057 - 02/05/08 06:18 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: Jeepeater]  
DRTDEVL  Offline
Roll Me Over
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,915
HELL Paso, TX *****
Quote
I'm running 33x12.5 BFG muds. They were the 'new' version when the tire was redesigned a few years or so ago. I expect to get 80,000 miles out of them. How? Heck if I know. I got about the same number of miles out of a few sets of the 'old' version in the same size, too. They are siped and regularly balanced/rotated.

Not as if balancing or rotating makes any difference. I hate these tires and have hated them since day one with said hatred growing a little bit more each day. I've had multiple tire failures for one. Sure, they were covered under warranty, but the PIA factor was up there. Secondly, and more importantly in my opinion, is that they will NOT run smooth no matter what. My old BFG muds were the same size and siped and they rode as smooth as can be. This newer version just sucks. At certain revs, the truck vibrates. It's enough to make me absolutely insane but I'm rather picky.

The driveshaft is balanced and spot on, the rear end was recently rebuilt and is spot on, the pinion angle is spot on, axles are straight etc... I just don't like these tires. If they weren't so much money, I'd yank them off and replace them with something else.

*whew* rant off


Mud Kings are made from the old BFG molds... Same tire as the old BFG, but about 40% less.

I bought my set of tires and wheels for under $700 6 years ago, mounted, balanced, with road hazard, lifetime balancing and rotation. I believe they were on sale for $94 each, gone up to $124 last I looked.


"A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living." - John F. Kennedy

Proud owner of an 88 Montero (with a blown engine).

#867058 - 02/05/08 06:21 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: trashcanman]  
Snowtoy  Offline
Roll Me Over
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 3,564
Grass Valley, CA
Quote
Looking for an aggressive 4x4 tire that will give me some bite without sacrificing drivabilty and longevity

Love,
Trash


It all depends on the type of terrain you are going to wheel, and how many miles a day/month you are going to put on them as a daily driver. If you wheel mostly rocks and mud and put under 30/day on them BFG Muds, or Goodyear MTRs will work well for you, Procompo Xterrains are just as good, but are a softer tread and reallly wont last long on a DD.

If your wheeling covers everything from rocks to snow, you encounter snow/ice on the road, or you put more than 30 miles a day on them, then the BFG AT's would be your best choice. I have been running BFG AT's on my '90 for about 12 yrs now(had run Muds before) and the AT's work better all around, not as good in the rocks when wet or in mud as the MT's but better in the deeps snow(flotation), and ride a lot quieter on teh street, w/overall better handling capabilities. I like to drive my vehicles on the street at about 80-90% of their handling ability and w/the MT's I found they like to walk out when cornering hard, whereas the AT's will hold the line. My last set of AT's I put 70k+ on them and they still had about 15k of street miles left in them.

The key to getting a lot of miles out of a 4x4 tire is keeping the tires balance/rotated/aligned, I get mine balanced and rotated every 3k, and I make sure to get the alignment checked twice a year(one under the 6 mo warranty).


More than tread lightly. Leave it like you were never there, nor anyone else.
'90 X-cab 4.88's 33 BFG AT's, rr ARB, Headers, Ignition upgrade, cold air induction.
'91 X-cab 5.29's 315's BFG MT's, rr ARB, custom bumper and flatbed

#867059 - 02/05/08 06:44 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: Greg_Canada]  
Jeepeater  Offline
Rock Warrior
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 706
Northern California
Quote
Jeepeater it's funny you say that.
I run 33x12.5 bfg m/t's on mickey thomson classic locks, and i use NO balancing weights and my truck rides as smooth as can be. Personally i love these tires.


No weights? Wow... sounds like my old style muds. My new style muds required so much lead around the rims that I'm thinking about opening up my own pencil factory. It's actually rather comical. So far, 3 of them have been replaced under warranty and 2 have suffered catastrophic 'trail' damage. I've talked to a few people that have the same tires just out of curiosity and some have had the same complaints about vibration. Maybe there was a bad run or two made or perhaps I just drew a few unlucky tires. Who knows?

Since I don't drive much, it will take years to wear these out. They might even rot away before then. Wear isn't an issue and I'm very happy with the performance of the tire. It's just that pesky vibration...

Last edited by Jeepeater; 02/05/08 06:47 AM.

#867060 - 02/05/08 07:31 AM Re: how long do your tires last? [Re: Jeepeater]  
Greg_Canada  Offline
Roll Me Over
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,854
Toronto, Canada
Yeah that really is weird. these are the new "KM's" as well (not KM2)
When we threw it on the balancing machine it said it was something stupid like 15 or 20 oz off, so the guy told me to drive it for a little bit for them to "seat" or w/e... but i put them on and i didnt get one vibe, i was ecstatic.
Wear on them is really good, i have 10,000 miles on mine and they still look new. they are terrible on ice or in the rain tho... can you say 4 wheel drift... def. getting some 33x9.5 bfg a/t's for winter next year....


89 4Runner
3" BL, M/T locks, 33"bfg mt, bilstein, Kayline, tubebumper, toyotafiberglass panels
TBI: Elocker,3.4 w/ORS,b+b,S2Sstg2cams,arias pistons,P+P intake,TRDs/c,URDpullies+7th,downey headers,MAPECU2,WEGO WB, SupraMAF,walboro255,stg4clutch, EPaOo2 sim

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