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EFIE - How To Question~ #890910 06/16/08 09:06 PM
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David_M Offline OP
Wheeler
I am going to Hydroxy my 4Runner, I need an EFIE module. I can easily build one if I could find the diagrams. I have paid $11 and $20 only to get a list of propritory parts from the vendor that sells the how to. At a cost that is higher than you can buy them pre-made.

Does anyone have a schematic and instructions for an EFIE device I can build?

Thank you in advance -

I will be documenting my Hydroxy device in full on 4X4wire when I am finished. I am designing a unit that is off road friendly! smile

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Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: David_M] #890911 06/16/08 09:35 PM
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Adam F Offline
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A what? I've never heard of such a thing. Sounds to ME like a scam of some kind.

Doing some google research, seems like other people think its a scam too.


Do you have any good information on this?


88 4R, 350 V8, R150 5 speed Sold <...uot; />
97 4R, stock, daily driver
98 Sienna, kid and dog hauler, wife's ride
Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: Adam F] #890912 06/17/08 12:41 AM
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David_M Offline OP
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Number 1 - Just because you haven't heard of it. Doesn’t make it a scam.

Number 2 - I have a working model... I just don't want to buy pre-made EFIE units when I can build them.

Number 3 – “Hydroxy” “Brown’s Gas” “Oxy-Hydrogen” Does work! Most of the crap selling on the internet is a SCAM. This is my design, and it works well. The problem with EFI is that the O2 Sensor will detect less fuel burning and the ECU will increase Gas injection. Where in reality the engine is burning better and needs less Gas. Do some research on EFIE it's not NEW. This is the "Chip" that allows you to manually change your mixture on the fly.

Number 4 - I never said I was trying to SELL ANYTHING - I simply asked if anyone has the diagrams for building one. You can buy the device from PWM but I would like to build one. The idea is that I have designed and built all the parts for my Hybrid! If I have the diagrams I can build it to suit my project better than the pre-manufactured ones. My entire design is modular.

Do a little research on the “Water Torch” Last I checked, there are plenty of cars running on Hydrogen.

Just for the record, the first ever Diesel Engine actually ran on straight Peanut Oil. Don’t let big dollar oil trick you into thinking Hydrocarbon is the only fuel source that can run an engine. It’s all about energy conversion, “Hydroxy Gas” Powered the last months of Nazi Germany. It’s not magic…. Just physics…

Thank you for your reply!

Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: David_M] #890913 06/17/08 01:24 AM
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Well then I guess the answer to your original question is no. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />

Sounds like an interesting project tho'.


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Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: kewlynx] #890914 06/17/08 01:33 AM
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David_M Offline OP
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It's all good. I will keep looking and post all my data when I get this new design working in my 4Runner. My honda does great but its carborated. And I Wheel in my Runner and need to do some extensive mods to the design to be wheeling safe. If it will work.... I'm thinking I could see upto 20Mpg in 4 Wheel low.... That would rock! But the sloshing is going to be a real problem. I am attempting to design a cell that barrows technology from an AGM type battery.. Have no idea if it will work that way. SO the idea is that I can take the whole device out if Im wheeling hard and run like normal with minumum work. Flip a cuple switches and pull the box out of the bed. Saftey is of utmost importance. The electrolite is caustic and the gas is explosive and deadly to breath... Thanks again.

Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: David_M] #890915 06/17/08 02:37 AM
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Dandeman Offline
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Number 1
Number 2
Number 3
Number 4 It’s not magic…. Just physics…


Well since we are all in the dark here, looking forward to some specifics of what this is, and how it works.. unless of course you have intellectual property yet to protected by patent(s).

Particularly interested in the energy level input to separate H2 from O2 and energy output when recombined.

Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: David_M] #890916 06/17/08 09:48 AM
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Adam F Offline
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Number 1 - Number 4 - I never said I was trying to SELL ANYTHING -



And I never said you were. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Just saying it sounded like a scam. Buying plans on the internet. Those plans you bought diddnt work out. Then I did a google search for hydroxy scam and found a few results. I wasnt saying you were scamming anyone.


88 4R, 350 V8, R150 5 speed Sold <...uot; />
97 4R, stock, daily driver
98 Sienna, kid and dog hauler, wife's ride
Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: Adam F] #890917 06/17/08 06:48 PM
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Edy Offline
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If it works and is easy to build it would have been done on a large scale already. There are always reasons why everyone isn't doing these things. They are either exceedingly complex and costly to implement or they are scams. Otherwise, smarter and richer people than us would have it on the open market and it would be no secret.
Just my $.02


85 4Runner 22re, mostly stock. Over 340K miles(SOLD for $4000 7/06)

98 2.7 4cyl 4Runner Bone Stock perfect 200,000 miles (alright, it has a HG and clutch in it's past)
Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: Edy] #890918 06/17/08 08:53 PM
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Adam F Offline
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Edy, thats EXACTLY what I was thinking.

But I'll eat my words if you can get it to work.


88 4R, 350 V8, R150 5 speed Sold <...uot; />
97 4R, stock, daily driver
98 Sienna, kid and dog hauler, wife's ride
Re: EFIE - How To Question~ [Re: Adam F] #890919 06/21/08 12:04 AM
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David_M Offline OP
Wheeler
Exceedingly complex... Yes... There is at this time NO real way to market such technology on an economic scale. Safety and Accuracy are to huge problems. My design is Safe, But It is custom for my particular car. This setup would not work in just any car. Also its not just simple turn the key and go either. You have to mix chemicals, and do some tweaking every few days. It requires constant monitoring and alot of just plain forward thought. Also winter freeze up is also an issue. I think that you should do some research on the recent Green rallies however. There are Hyper milers out there getting 150Mpg out of there cars without a single modification. The whole thing that makes hybrids work is that a normal conventional car gives up almost 40% of its efficiency into thin air. The HHO so-called device if dun right simply converts some of that wasted energy and turns it back into a fuel that increases the efficiency of the burning hydrocarbon. Just like any old hybrid, in the from of electricity. After all…… Gasoline, Diesel, Bio-Fuel…. Are “Hydro-Carbons” In the end your burning -Hydrogen- using DC off the alternator that is being created for nothing, to generate pure hydrogen witch is then re-introduced into the intake is simple. The problem is that you cannot get more energy out of something than you put into it right? Right! In this case Hydrogen when it burns is simply converting into water. In this case water vapor. Water vapor then absorbs the heat created when the gasoline ignites and explodes. Normally this heat is absorbed into the piston or block witch then expands and causes higher friction causing more heat and less efficiency. The water vapor that just absorbed the explosion heat is then expelled directly out of the engine as steam of pure water. Now that in it’s self will not significantly increase performance however something more interesting does occur in this scenario. There is basically only one thing in the air that your car is sucking in that burns. And that is the Oxygen. The car aspires air and compresses it to maximize the oxygen molecules per cubic inch in the explosion chamber. What would happen if you were to increase the oxygen molecules in that mix by say 4 – 5%. The more pure oxygen you introduce into the mix the better the gasoline will burn. (Try pouring liquid oxygen on some popcorn and lighting it up. You will see what I mean) this means that all of the fuel will burn. That increases the expansion of the gasses and you have more bangs for your buck right? Lets go back to the water vapor thing what is different from water vapor and air? Water des not compress. This also means that on the compression stroke you have Liquid gasoline, air, pure oxygen and pure hydrogen all mixed. The second you ignite the pure hydrogen it expands not into compressible hot gasses but into dense water vapor. You just increased the total volume of “Exhaust” in the chamber, and that is what makes a car move. That pushes the piston down with more power, less heat and less un-burned fuel. And that reduces greenhouse gasses by a significant amount. The normal process to create these two gasses is plane old electrolysis invented well over a hundred years ago. In this form we don’t separate the two. By running DC current through an electrolyte using tuned plates you create 2 hydrogen molecules to every 1 pure oxygen molecule. And you just let the engine suck it up as it is produced. It is not injected into the motor.

Incidentally, have you ever heard of Nitrous or NOS I believe the stupid Honda kids call it? Its “Nitrous-oxide” As in “Oxidizer” It works the same way the “Oxide” or Oxygen makes the fuel burn better that’s why it gives a boost. But you are not taking away the heat, hence the damage to the engine. And we all know that Nitrogen does not burn at all.. It does however compress. Nitrous oxide is far FAR safer than pure oxygen that is why it is used as a booster agent.

So all that being said, It will not increase your fuel mileage as long as the pesky O2 Sensor tells the computer to dump in more gas because there is suddenly not enough Toxic gasses in the exhaust. Duh if the fuel was burning all the way there wouldn’t be any toxic emissions in the exhaust. So the EFIE device allows you to tweak your engine for the difference by allowing the user to decide on the mix. If someone was to make the wrong call you would either foul plugs or cook your engine…. Or worse expel even more greenhouse gasses. So this is not some miracle burn water instead of gas device. It is truly something to mess around with. It does work though… The guy that got me started is running one on a Prius… And he gets 65MPG on the hi-way. He adjusts the thing on the fly as he goes….. Prius doesn’t uses a once set and go O2 Sensor. Like our cars form the 80’s 90’s and early 2000’s. It actually realizes its running better and reduces the amount of fuel it’s dumping in. Then nearly all of the energy it produces is tuned into DC and that drives a DC motor that does not have parts that constantly reverse directions like an I/C Engine. That is how Hi-bird cars work to get better mileage. And why they get better mileage in town, than on the hi-way among other reasons. So for Jake to be getting 65MPG Hi-Way in a Prius is phenomenal, incidentally he only gets around 49 in town. But that is better than the average in town on one by a ways considering his is 3 years old.


So there you have it! I am just a guy that wants better mileage and I believe that the Sheep and lemmings should be educated about the truth to mileage and performance.

I found a good source for a EFIE unit from PWM and it works great. I will do a complete write up on the project on my 4Runner. We will see the truth in the end.

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