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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909641
12/24/08 06:57 PM
12/24/08 06:57 PM
bretwalda  Offline OP
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The official story answers those 2 questions - so if you want any credibility at all, you'll need an alternative completion to the story line.


1) Show me the plane

2) Show me the people...

1) "The plane disintegrated on impact through a 16 foot hole - wings, engines, tail, everything."

2 "The people were found still strapped in their seats"

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

You can't have it both ways Frank. Perhaps you could provide some interviews with those that saw the plane actually hit the Pentagon? Perhaps we could see one of the 80+ tapes of the plane hitting the Pentagon? What are they hiding Frank? Why not show us the tapes?


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: bretwalda] #909642
12/24/08 08:27 PM
12/24/08 08:27 PM
FrankR  Offline
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1) "The plane disintegrated on impact through a 16 foot hole - wings, engines, tail, everything."

2 "The people were found still strapped in their seats"


Now you're gettin' it right..... 'bout time.

They don't have to show you squat. There was testimony enough for investigators - and published for public consumption. If that's not good enough, get another investigation opened...... but you'd better have more than what you've got, 'cause you ain't got squat.

9-11 "Truthers" could probably better spend their time investigating the price of beans. Since the government says the price of beans is due to something as silly as supply and demand, I would think it easy for you to prove that the government conspiracy to produce ethanol from beans was authored to drive up the price of beans and bail out the government's bean subsidy that was draining money available for farm appropriations. And Al Gore was also surely involved because he thought that reduced bean consumption would lead to lower greenhouse gas emissions. Just think of the gratitude you could get from old folks living on fixed incomes who depend on beans for ummmmmm..... fiber...... and think what it would do to stop the influx of illegal immigrants looking for money to pay for the worldwide escalating price of chili beans.

Frank <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909643
12/24/08 10:15 PM
12/24/08 10:15 PM
hazy_daze  Offline
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Better than TV, I tell ya <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


Fasteddy's advice is occasionally sound...
Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909644
12/25/08 06:06 AM
12/25/08 06:06 AM
bretwalda  Offline OP
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Easy on the mulled wine there Frank <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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There was testimony enough for investigators - and published for public consumption.


I'm afraid you lost your marbles <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

You wouldn't be referring to this would you?

(9-11 Commission report published in comic book format)

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They don't have to show you squat.


Thats what they said <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> ...to the victim's families

Why don't they have to show me squat Frank? Last I checked this was supposed to be a government of the peeps, by the peeps, for the peeps - not the sheeps, nor the cat herders.

If its a slam dunk why not show the tapes?

So - could you just explain to me how a plane that disintegrates on impact...literally 'vaporized' according to the government - still retrieve bodies strapped to the seats? I said the engines were made out of titanium - not the passengers <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

And lastly "I don't have squat". Ok. The Pentagon cops and other witnesses closest to the scene are all on crack and telepathically hallucinating with each other. You've got the squat! The latest data, from your government: North of the citgo, north of the poles

Take it easy on the holiday. Kick back and brush up on your main points. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


...Spats aside - merry Christmas all <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: bretwalda] #909645
12/25/08 07:07 AM
12/25/08 07:07 AM
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I'm not getting sound on the home PC, so I can't speak as to what is said, but watching it satifies me. What problems do you guys have with this explanation?

web page

If your opinion is that it wasn't a plane, explain the damage to the generators.

Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: stony-man] #909646
12/25/08 08:28 AM
12/25/08 08:28 AM
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Have to admit, I watched a couple other vids, that do kind of raise some questions, but I'm still going with the official story...until I see something more concrete.

Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: stony-man] #909647
12/25/08 12:06 PM
12/25/08 12:06 PM
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....I'm still going with the official story...until I see something more concrete.


Here's some concrete

Titanium passengers? No, I would expect that the passengers in the front of the plane to be smashed to bits, but once the hole was opened by however much of the airplane required to penetrate the wall, there would possibly be recognizable human forms toward the rear of the remainder of the airplane.... likely those in the center seats.

I don't think anyone is qualified to say what happens when a plane flies into a concrete wall.... unless he personally examines the wreckage.

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If its a slam dunk why not show the tapes?


Show the tapes! Show us the tapes! Now that's where the whine comes into the picture. Here, "truthers" sound like a 4 year old who doesn't get what he wants. I suppose the reasons for not showing the tapes could be one of several - take your choice:

1) Respect for family members of passengers.
2) So the method isn't glorified for copy-cats to attempt.
3) Just to p*ss you off.

As for all of the listed "coincidences" - so what? If every one of those was answered, it still doesn't answer:

1) Where's the plane?
2) Where are the passengers?

This is beginning to remind me of the Mpemba Effect.

Merry Christmas! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Frank


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: FrankR] #909648
12/26/08 12:19 AM
12/26/08 12:19 AM
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Show the tapes! Show us the tapes! Now that's where the whine comes into the picture. Here, "truthers" sound like a 4 year old who doesn't get what he wants


Or like sheep to their shepherd.
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I cant say for sure because a good point is we were not there. It has always looked suspicious to me simply because of the fact that it WAS THE PENTAGON. All that money spent on defense and we cant even keep a few crazies with box cutters from flying a airliner into it? From what I have read in the past no plane could stray from their flight pattern to ever even get that close or they would be shot down.

Bush also said he saw the first plane hit the first tower on TV and thought "he must be a terrible pilot". (<---edit for misquote) The footage of the first liner was only seen after footage was aquired from private sources which was later that day..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Not fighting, just talking. Merry Christmas. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: cmonty72] #909649
12/26/08 03:10 AM
12/26/08 03:10 AM
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The footage of the first liner was only seen after footage was aquired from private sources which was later that day.....


Are you sure about that? I seem to remember seeing both planes hitting the towers when I turn on the news a 7:00 am.

I didn't know the Pentagon had weapons to shoot down airplanes. There's no way a fighter would of had time to do it.


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Re: The eons old modus operandi [Re: Grasscat] #909650
12/26/08 04:03 AM
12/26/08 04:03 AM
cmonty72  Offline
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I seem to remember seeing both planes hitting the towers when I turn on the news a 7:00 am.


I dont see how you could have seen the first plane hit the tower at 7:00 AM Cali time.

Florida and NY are in the same time zones.... No news agency just had cameras waiting for the first collision at 8:45 AM. They did however get thier hands on private footage by survellance cameras and individuals that just happened to be filming the skyline but way afer the fact. By the time emergency crews, news agencies, private citizens ETC had responded to the first attack they were well able to capture the second attack on film, digitals, cell phones, ETC.

I'm curious how GB saw the first plane hit before he went into the classroom. And if he did indeed see the first plane hit, why on gods green Earth did he continue with the little cameo with the school kids and even waited 7 minutes after he heard the second on hit? The stuff does'nt add up. To my knowledge nodody saw the first collision on film until later that day or maybe even the next day. Again not saying he is guilty but WTF?

They were showing the second collision all day then they finally aired this clip on CNN. web page

Last edited by cmonty72; 12/26/08 04:11 AM.

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