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#938157 - 03/31/09 02:15 PM 2.3L Stroker info post and links to turbo/manifold thread *  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
This is just going to be any info i find on stroking our FE3 clones. I'll post links as i find them and write a small blurb about what they are.

This will contain anything from cranks, rods, and flywheels
to adding bigger injectors

If u have info not posted here share it. I'll then add it to the first post.

LINKS
<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
solomiata
stroking a kia engine using chevy rods all of this has been moved so the pics work again

http://www.mx6.com/forums/fe-dohc/200877-my-fe3-project-going-2-3-na-4.html
a great NA fe3 2.3 build(lol deffboy has seen this one)

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.p...365&fpart=1
dennis's post about the flywheels

some piston info
a post about pistons that wok with the fe3 and some info about using sr20 pistons

http://importperformanceparts.net/
good prices on pistons. look around after reading the above post. if u look at nissian sentra pistons for the sr20de they are about 40 each with rings look at topline oem pistons.

Addit: links to turbo thread and FE3 manifold

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.p...;gonew=1#UNREAD

Last edited by DamKia; 09/13/09 08:27 AM.

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#938158 - 04/04/09 04:22 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
sportedge  Offline
Getting the Wheeling Fever
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 30
montréal,canada
This is all very interesting,but a little bit complicated for me.
I would certainly install larger injectors and larger throttle body along with a more efficiant exhaust system.
Any ideas on the injectors and throttle body would be welcome.


#938159 - 04/07/09 02:49 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: sportedge]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
any injector of the same style and plug would work..might have to make a reference sheet for that

and i have seen people using mustang tb's but im not sure if its v6 or v8 have to look into that as well. if u find something before i do please post it


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938160 - 04/08/09 12:35 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DEFBOY35  Offline
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Posts: 598
Alberta, Canada
i am pretty sure the mustang tb's are being used with the fwd intake manifolds though. not too sure if it would work with our intake manifolds or not. as it is designed to come back over the top of the engine.

Last edited by DEFBOY35; 04/09/09 05:36 AM.

2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938161 - 04/08/09 02:03 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
anything could be done..im gonna try and find a bigger tb and figure out how to mount it. and re route the intake away from the exhaust mani


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938162 - 04/09/09 05:40 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DEFBOY35  Offline
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Posts: 598
Alberta, Canada
the problem with using the fwd intake manifolds is that it would have the tb aimed directly at the firewall with very little room to have a good intake set up.

the other thing to keep in mind is that they went to the mustang tb because the stock fwd is a single tb, dont remember the sizes off hand, were as we use a dual tb.

and i do remember reading that the dual set up, although each one is smaller added together flows more air. not sure if that was more or not than the mustang tb though.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938163 - 04/09/09 03:40 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
we have a two piece intake on our motors i was almost thinking of fabbing a custom upper portion just a box like thing that bolts to it and has a forward facing tb..it cant be too bad...then again i have cnc machines at my disposal. i'll draw something up in solidworks later and post up my idea


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938164 - 04/09/09 04:25 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DamKia  Offline

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Posts: 2,243
Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...
Maybe try to get it to turn around and have the air filter on the inlet side of the motor rather than over the hot exhaust. Carbon canister can be moved a bit further back to make room, and the front hub vacuum solenoid et al can be stripped out.


2002 Sporty , Ironman 2.5" spring, 2" body, 15 x 7 ROH wheels, K&N, 15 x 10.5 Simex Centipedes, Powerchip 91.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience!"

#938165 - 04/16/09 07:16 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DamKia]  
fokion  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,476
Athens Greece
Piston wise I found this....

it has also a US branch..

http://www.flatlander-ipp.nl/hpkits/pek-kia.shtml


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
http://members.cardomain.com/fokion

#938166 - 04/16/09 03:48 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
good stock replacements. but to stroke it you need pistons with a lower deck hight thats why sr20 pistons are used because at tdc the piston is 1mm or so below deck.

and for those that dont know what decking is its when the pistons at top dead center are even with the top of the block

i think using stock pistons with the f2 crank it over decks by like an inch. in a few weeks im going to get my kia engine i hope.


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938167 - 04/22/09 04:56 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DennisThompson  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,396
Utah
Do you have to over bore for the SR20 pistons? If so how much? Do you have part #s for the pistons that work? When I find a piston that I know works then I will get the Probe flywheel modified for the Kia crank postion sensor.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938168 - 04/22/09 05:41 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
Everet  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,224
Silicon Valley, CA
Stock is 86mm I believe so yes you would have to. Also need to machine room for stock rod.
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WWW.UPYOURKIA.COM White 96,4x4, man.hubs,K&N filter,3row rad, twin 16" fans, 3" body lift, 4" UPYOURKIA LIFT KIT,265/75 16 TreadWrights on DC2 wheels,140 amp alt. dual batts.

#938169 - 04/22/09 02:07 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: Everet]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
stock bore for sr20 is 86mm so u only have to over bore if u want to. get u a part number in a bit


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938170 - 04/29/09 02:20 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
thru http://importperformanceparts.net/
the part number for sr20de pistons with rings is PAD30
$36 a peice
$144 for four
you can order std .020 and .040 over


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938171 - 04/30/09 07:46 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
fokion  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,476
Athens Greece
Found also that if it is any help..

They have a US branch too..

http://www.flatlander-ipp.nl/hpkits/pek-kia.shtml


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
http://members.cardomain.com/fokion

#938172 - 04/30/09 02:11 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
yea they are actualy a part of import performance parts
good link tho
if anyone can find a better deal then 144+ship for the sr20 pistons let me know


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938173 - 05/01/09 02:34 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DennisThompson  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,396
Utah
I was thinking of going back stock but I think this just changed my mind. Thanks for the info.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938174 - 05/02/09 02:22 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post *DELETED* [Re: DennisThompson]  
5jackz  Offline
Need a Spot
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 20
Langley,B.C., Canada
Post deleted by DamKia


2000 with Eibach Suspension lift,Warn man. hubs,K&N air filter,15x8 mags with 31's, 3.75" body lift.

#938175 - 05/02/09 02:47 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: 5jackz]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
can the post above me be deleted not to be an ass or anyhting but it has nothing to do with this thread.

dennis if u have any more questions ask em and i will look it up.

theres something about using rx7 injectors for more fuel if i find it again i'll post it


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938176 - 05/02/09 11:25 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DEFBOY35  Offline
Rock Warrior
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 598
Alberta, Canada
if i remember correctly, using the sr20 pistons will lower the compression quite a bit, which is fine if you will be using them in a boosted application. but if you are sticking to NA then it may not be the best option


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938177 - 05/04/09 08:30 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
if you deck the block to the pistons its not to bad


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938178 - 05/06/09 01:44 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DEFBOY35  Offline
Rock Warrior
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 598
Alberta, Canada
all said and done though getting the block decked to match the pistons, what would it bring the compression to, and with whatever machining needs to be done to pistons to make them work, why not just get a set of pistons made that will work perfect with the stock rods and the 2.2 crank? that way to you can also specify exactly what compression you want to run.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938179 - 05/07/09 12:05 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
for me its my budget and tools i can use.
im a manufacturing student so i can play with cnc..so modding a piston is no biggy so buyin 4 pistons for 144 and doing the work my self is worth it.

ross will make modded kia FE pistons but at a price tag quadruple that of buying the toplines and modding


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938180 - 05/12/09 12:26 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DennisThompson  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,396
Utah
My boy has the part # for the wiseco pistons he used on his FE3 stroker for his Probe but they are a low compresion piston for high boost engines, they are also about $900.00 for pistions, rings and custom rods. Another option my boy told me about if you want to stroke it but not turbo it is use the Probe crank, Kia rods, and Probe GT turbo pistons and have the tops shaved to the deck. It is said they will work great if you don't boost it.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938181 - 05/12/09 04:56 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
how much would they have to be shaved? i think im sticking with my sr20 pistons just cause i might go turbo. still looking for the probe crank and flywheel if anyoen has one send me a pm


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938182 - 05/12/09 05:50 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
DEFBOY35  Offline
Rock Warrior
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 598
Alberta, Canada
where did matt get the custom rods from dennis? because 900 for the pistons and custom rods isnt to bad actually.

my insurance wont allow me to go turbo, so i am just going to bump up my compression and run it na, with some custom cams.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938183 - 05/12/09 02:40 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
heres some crankshaft info if you know of another working crank let me know and i will get its applications also. after that i'll do pistons and rods so on and so forth

also some food for thought many people have put the fe-dohc in the b2200 the engine bolts right in with its existing flywheel..so that could mean if using the f2 crank + flywheel from the truck it should just bolt in no flywheel work to be done
but dont quote me on that

CRANKSHAFTS
R2 crank
* 1987–1991 Mazda B-series
* 2008-present Mazda3
* 2008-present Mazda6


F2 crank
* 1986–1991 Mazda 929
* 1988–1992 Mazda 626
* 1988–1992 Mazda MX-6
* 1988–1992 Ford Probe
* 1987–1999 Mazda B2200
this crank can be found at rock auto with crank and rod bearings for 200 and the flywheel is 44-50 so that brings the parts cost to around 400 ish

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938184 - 05/12/09 09:19 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
fokion  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,476
Athens Greece
I have lost you on the R2 - F2 crank listing
what I have to understand from that????


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
http://members.cardomain.com/fokion

#938185 - 05/13/09 12:57 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
DennisThompson  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,396
Utah
I'm not sure how much to shave off yet, When we can dig up an extra crank I will check it all out. I am now thinking of going with the SR20 pistons and still adding a turbo. I am going on vacation the end of the month and when we get back I am going to get serious on the Kia. Most people don't understand thies words but, boy do I miss my Kia.

When I find out where Matt got his rods I will let you know.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938186 - 05/13/09 03:31 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
DennisThompson  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,396
Utah
Matt got his rods from Cunningham, He said they don't keep part numbers so you have to send them a rod. He sent them a sotck Kia rod and them made his from there.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938187 - 05/13/09 02:16 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
fokion those are the vehicles that have the crank you need to stroke the motor


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938188 - 05/13/09 06:16 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
fokion  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
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Posts: 1,476
Athens Greece
Ah Ok....

are all these cranks the same??? ( looks like it might....)


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
http://members.cardomain.com/fokion

#938189 - 05/14/09 01:31 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
i belive they stroke it the same

the r2 crank is forged and requires some work like stuff for the oil pump but i believe it uses out flywheel so it has its ups and downs

the f2 drops in and works with our oil pump but has a different flywheel bolt pattern i believe the flywheel from a mazda b2200 will work as out flywheel is used on our engine when swapped into that truck


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938190 - 05/14/09 03:10 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
fokion  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,476
Athens Greece
Got it thank you

is sounds like the F2 crank is more suitable overall


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
http://members.cardomain.com/fokion

#938191 - 05/15/09 12:41 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DEFBOY35  Offline
Rock Warrior
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 598
Alberta, Canada
keep in mind the r2 crank was never available on the north american market and is very difficult to come across, i have been trying to contact overseas wreckers and vendors with no luck at all.

as the forget crank will take more power, as well being able to use the stock flywheel would be nice.

hopefully the b2200 flyweel would fit into the sporty, but i am not sure if it would match up to our transmission, perhaps that is why it works for the b2200's.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938192 - 05/15/09 12:58 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
deffboy the Mazda b-series folks (used to be one myself) drop the Sportage engine in the 2200 all time and use the stock tranny with our flywheel and clutch so if our flywheel and clutch fit on their tranny i don't see why the opposite wouldn't be true in fact i think the mazda b-series clutch fits our flywheel as well so we can use our stock clutches on the b-series flywheel. i need some money to get the ball rollin i would love to be talking from experience and not just close to a year of reading


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938193 - 05/15/09 03:34 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DennisThompson  Offline
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To use the F2 flywheel on the Sportage you need to have the crank position ring removed from the Kia flywheel, have the F2 flywheel machined and have the crank position pressed on. Other than that they look identical.


[Linked Image]

Here is a pic of the two side by side.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938194 - 05/15/09 05:08 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
Everet  Offline
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Dennis,
Is the gear pressed on the sportage or welded?
Is there weight the same?

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#938195 - 05/15/09 09:25 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: Everet]  
DennisThompson  Offline
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The crank position ring looks pressed on, I don't see any welds. As far as the weight I'm not sure I will check when I get a chance.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938196 - 05/16/09 06:51 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
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I lost you on something
since the F2 crank is going to be used why you dont use also the F2 flyweel???


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#938197 - 05/16/09 07:22 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
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deffboy the Mazda b-series folks (used to be one myself) drop the Sportage engine in the 2200 all time and use the stock tranny with our flywheel and clutch so if our flywheel and clutch fit on their tranny i don't see why the opposite wouldn't be true in fact i think the mazda b-series clutch fits our flywheel as well so we can use our stock clutches on the b-series flywheel. i need some money to get the ball rollin i would love to be talking from experience and not just close to a year of reading


ok here is my next question, just want to make sure things are clear here.

when you say that they drop in the sporty motor and it bolts up directly to the b22oo flywheel, that would make it a 8 bolt flywheel then correct?, if that is the case, then it will not work with the f2 crank.

but if these are already stroked fe3ns that they are dropping into the mazdas, then yes it should work with the said maching mentioned by dennis.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938198 - 05/16/09 05:16 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
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Fokion, I am planning on using the F2 flywheel, I just need to get it modified for the crank position ring.
Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938199 - 05/17/09 04:37 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
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sorry if i misleading you deffboys i was just saying the clutches worked i had forgot all about the other ring on our flywheels.


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#938200 - 05/19/09 12:57 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
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is there any chance that we might be looking at the wrong direction here????

Has anybody know what KIA gives aw a maximum oversized piston for the sportage???
And I mean as say standard factory ones..


I ve done some calcylations
and if the 86mm diameter is tyrned to say 90mm
we are already looking into some 2.185cc...

The advantage of using factory ( or factory like ) pistons is obvious I think...
no special rods no maching flyweels
maybe thefactory cost for pistons is high but overall it might be easier and cheeper

Last edited by fokion; 05/19/09 01:00 PM.

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#938201 - 05/19/09 02:29 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
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we are NOT looking in the wrong direction since the maximum standard oversize piston I found was 87.5mm
that gives us a 2.065cc...

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#938202 - 05/19/09 02:38 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
k120189  Offline
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yea we are talking another 300c going from 1998cc to 2298cc. this isnt really too complicated its just alot of work im gonna bore over stroke it and turbocharge mine with a holset blower.. gonna be makin some serious power


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938203 - 05/20/09 12:45 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
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if boosting the engine it has been recommended by others to go with the smallest if not at all overbore possible. especially at any higher boost numbers as the cylinder walls become a week point with the larger overbores.

i think that i will be going to a 86.5 at max if needed, with the stroker, but depending on my turbo/insurance situation, i may go high compression with the pistons.


this may all start to take place sooner than i had expected as i may be ripping the motor out in the next few weekends. might make getting at my frame easier.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938204 - 05/20/09 02:03 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
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just a mild over bore im gonna keep the boost low 15 ish psi
im looking for about 300 max hp which i think is easily obtainable


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938205 - 06/04/09 03:43 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DennisThompson  Offline
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Ok, I have decided to build my engine stock. I miss driving the Kia and need it back on the road and the money is just not there to build a stroker right now. After its back on the road I want to find a block and build the stroker. Keep posting up dates, I still realy wnat to build one.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938206 - 06/04/09 02:21 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
k120189  Offline
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yea dennis im in the same boat..only i have another complete engine sitting waiting for the money for parts and machine work


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938207 - 06/07/09 07:01 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DennisThompson  Offline
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I got my block off to the machine shop, thats a start. I know I'm going back stock for now but when I get started putting it together should I start a thread from start to finish engine assembly? I can send pics, specs and such. It could save some of you some money on how easy it is to build your own engine as apposed to having a shop build it for you. It will probably be about a month or so before I have all the parts ready, let me know.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938208 - 06/07/09 08:04 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
Everet  Offline
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I think that would be great. Maybe start a new thread. Pictures would be great. How much are you overboring?
Could you breakdown your costs?
Thanks,
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#938209 - 06/07/09 10:56 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: Everet]  
k120189  Offline
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yea start a new thread and i will link to it here


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938210 - 06/08/09 02:58 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DEFBOY35  Offline
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good idea dennis, and if we can what we should do is keep it a straight forward build thread and keep the comments out. possibly have a seperate comment thread just to keep it cleaner with all pertinent information easy to find.

i guess once one of us actually gets our stroker conversion going, we could do the same for it. keep this one going as the discussion thread and have the seperate stroker build thread with no comments, just info.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938211 - 06/08/09 07:28 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
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yea i wish there was some way i could go back and update the first post as more info comes and more builds begin. we could use this thread for comments and discussion and all the important links and facts would stay right in the first post...mods is there a way to make this possible?


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938212 - 06/11/09 02:42 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
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When I get started I will post it then, like I said it could be a month or so before I get started so be patient.
I am planing on a stock bore but if I find out it need to be bored a I have to buy pistons I might as well stroke it. I just want it on the road again.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938213 - 06/11/09 05:23 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
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yea i wish there was some way i could go back and update the first post as more info comes and more builds begin. we could use this thread for comments and discussion and all the important links and facts would stay right in the first post...mods is there a way to make this possible?


i believe you can edit your own posts, and add links and anything else you want to. so it would be as simple as hitting the edit button next to the reply button on your post.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938214 - 06/11/09 03:24 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
k120189  Offline
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after a set period of time u can no longer edit a post..try to edit an older post you'll see what i mean.


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#938215 - 06/17/09 12:48 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
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Here is something to think about and check into before you stroke your engine. My boy has had 2 attempts and on both spun the #1 rod bearing before 5000 miles and before installing his turbo. It seems several others of spun rod bearings also. So before you stroke one talk to someone that has not spun a bearing or has found a fix. My boy is thinking of going back to a 2.0 for his Probe. He ran 13.7s on a tired Sportage engine with a big turbo and low boost. He thinks he can do alot better with a fresh engine, lower compresion pistons and big boost.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938216 - 06/17/09 01:57 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
k120189  Offline
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Lenox,MA
well my lift is coming first so i wil have time to research..did he use stock over or undersized bearings?


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938217 - 06/17/09 05:01 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
DennisThompson  Offline
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It seems to me he use stock bearings, I will ask him and let you know if he had his crank turned.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938218 - 06/17/09 07:58 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
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I have never heard of such a problem before..


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
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#938219 - 07/11/09 05:17 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
DennisThompson  Offline
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My boy talked to the guy at the machine shop and they compaied a Kia crank to a Probe crank and the oil holes are differant so the rod bearings could be getting starved for oil. For his fix he is gong to try elongating the holes to help oil flow. It will probably be a while before he gets to it though, he's having to much fun with his new MX6. It was already running 13.2s when he bought it.

I am going to pick up my block from the machine shop Monday and drop off my head. When I get all the parts to assemble the short block I will start taking pics and posting progress. I will start a new thread since I am not building a stroker yet. I'm getting excited to get this thing back on the road.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938220 - 09/13/09 08:25 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
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http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.p...;gonew=1#UNREAD

For turbo information and manifold links


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#938221 - 09/21/09 06:25 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DamKia]  
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Quote
anyway, aside from gary's possible diesel swap, there is a direct swap with the slightly larger and more torquy Mazda 2.2L engine. you just swap the block and all the internals of the block, including crank, pistons and connecting rods. you bolt all the Sportage parts directly to the 2.2 block, including head, intake, accessories, then the block to the bellhousing. so far, the only person we know that has done this is Darren Skilton, but 2.2's should be cheap enough that we will begin to see more. i think the ratings for the 2.2 with Kia head and peripherals is around 170-175 HP and around 180-185 LB-FT or more.


So, Dave Scott posted this in 2002. This would be an amazing jump in HP. Which 2.2 mazda engine was he talking about, was it from the B2200?


#938222 - 09/21/09 08:08 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: SKC]  
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do you have the link at hand??


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#938223 - 09/21/09 08:29 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
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Here it is. Took me a little while to find again.


#938224 - 10/01/09 11:02 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
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just a mild over bore im gonna keep the boost low 15 ish psi
im looking for about 300 max hp which i think is easily obtainable


That 300 HP is going to rip your whole drive train to shreds. I hope you already thought of that.


#938225 - 10/02/09 12:05 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: SKC]  
DennisThompson  Offline
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It depends how you drive it. If you have the 5sp the Getdrag is good for about 250hp and the rear axle has seen lots of power coming from turbo RX7s. If you drive it hard you will mess thing up (I know I would drive it to hard) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />. I just want mild with about 6-8 psi, The Kia would live and I could go with bigger tires.

Dennis


95 Sportage, gone but not forgotten.
98 Jeep TJ, 4" Zone springs with RC Long arms, Ford 8.8", 4.56 gears & Detroit locker rear, D30, 4.56 & Detroit Trutrack front.

#938226 - 10/02/09 04:18 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DennisThompson]  
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It depends how you drive it. If you have the 5sp the Getdrag is good for about 250hp and the rear axle has seen lots of power coming from turbo RX7s. If you drive it hard you will mess thing up (I know I would drive it to hard) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />. I just want mild with about 6-8 psi, The Kia would live and I could go with bigger tires.

Dennis


exactly what i have been thinking.

if i can get around 300hp, then i would have better hp and tq lower in the curve and wouldnt have to be at 5k rpms all the time to get my tires moving.

essentially to with some of the mods i have going rite now, the higher hp will help a lot with highway driving to and from the trails. and i will be able to stay off the skinny pedal more on the trails with gearing


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991

#938227 - 10/02/09 05:37 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DEFBOY35]  
SKC  Offline
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The front differential and the transfer case is something to worry about, though. They are both the weak points in our drive train, so I've been told.


#938228 - 10/09/09 06:30 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: SKC]  
fokion  Offline
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coming to the stroker thing again, look this
http://carinfo.autold.com/car-kia_potentia-22.html

dont stay on the hp look at the diameter...


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
http://members.cardomain.com/fokion

#938229 - 10/20/09 02:38 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
2002_Sporty  Offline
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Fairbanks Alaska
Here's what I found.

240 RWHP Stroked FE3

http://www.solomiata.com/FE3.html


2002 4dr Kia Sportage 4X4
Tires:235/75/15, Wheels: Black 15x8 Steel ProComp 2.5" B.S., Hubs:Warn Manual, Lift:3" UPYOURKIA, Trailer Hitch, Cargo Rack, Clinometer.

#938230 - 10/20/09 02:56 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: 2002_Sporty]  
fokion  Offline
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I have read this so many times
The thing with this mod is that they were aiming for turbo-ing the engine so thei had special needs conserning straingth.
What I think we are looking for is a simple mild improuvment with aw many stock and easy to find parts that would give low torque reliably and not having to fix things every now and then

That is why the b2200 crank and rods only, if they fitted
would give a estimated 2200-2300cc with all the rest possibly stock maybe a litle bit of fuel presure more to compensate for the sligtly biger cylinders.

Why wont I try it you may ask and its pretty reasonable.
the answer is that I have a perfectly running engine and no spare money to dissasemble it just for the fun of it.
If I had a reason like worn piston rings an a smoking engine in need for a re-build, I surely would give it a try, since it would be already in pieces


'96 4d mechanicaly stock so far, rims, spoiler, Cooper AT tyres, Factory LSD, Manual Warn Hubs, handmade exaust, ELECTRIC FAN!!! 3,1'' Lift, PALM GPS
http://members.cardomain.com/fokion

#938231 - 10/23/09 04:29 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: fokion]  
sportagebandit  Offline
Mudrunner
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 265
miami, fl
how much would it cost to do a full rebuild with the stroker parts? (i have a bad rod knock, perfect candidate) either that or engine swap... i think swapping ina junkyard motor would be the cheapest..


96 SPORTAGE 4 DOOR:1 3/8 body lift:eibach springs & spacers:15x8 rockcrawlers & 31x11.50 super swampers:warn hubs:winch bumper http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2115301

#938232 - 03/18/14 07:25 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: sportagebandit]  
k120189  Offline
Wheeler
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 223
Lenox,MA
well after about 1400 years. im back been through a couple of vehicles and im picking up another sportage soon..anyone still alive here? im going to pick this back up and continue my plans to build the 2.3L stroker.


<a href="www.pittsfieldcustomsclub.com/sportage.html" target="_blank">98 sportage</a>: warn manual hubs,upyourkia spacers, 104 tj springs, 235/75/r15 BFG T/A KO, tracker rims, cone air filter, custom cat-back with a skunk2 muffler. gonna be a 2.3L

#938233 - 06/02/14 11:38 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: k120189]  
4runnernomore  Offline
Mudrunner
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 375
Darwin Australia
Came across a guy on another Kia forum that has built a 2.3 stroker in his Sporty in Australia.

I have asked for more info <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />.

Will keep you up to date <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Cheers, Chris <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter, 98 power chip, ext forks, 40mm Dobinson Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Dobinson Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Flocker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, Fully Engineered

#938234 - 06/27/14 10:21 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: 4runnernomore]  
Davey  Offline

Getting the Wheeling Fever
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 62
Perth, Western Australia
oooh do tell <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


Long a$$ 2000 Sporty, auto, 5.38 gears, TF front locker, 4"+ front lift (Kings +40 springs, 50mm spacers, 1.5" diff drop), TJ 104 rears 3" + 50mm coil spacers, 1.5" body lift, 31/10.5r15's on 15x8 Kings (ET-13), WARN manuals, Smart Bar, spotties

#938235 - 06/27/14 11:51 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: Davey]  
4runnernomore  Offline
Mudrunner
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 375
Darwin Australia
Hi Davey,

You might know the car or person? It is a red sporty in WA. Goes by DPK on the Kia forum. Have sent him a couple of PM's
. No reply yet.


Cheers Chris <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter, 98 power chip, ext forks, 40mm Dobinson Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Dobinson Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Flocker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, Fully Engineered

#938236 - 07/08/14 01:11 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: 4runnernomore]  
4runnernomore  Offline
Mudrunner
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 375
Darwin Australia
Hi all,

I am still waiting on a detailed reply from Dave (DPK) from the Kia forum however I did get a snippet from him about his 2.3 stroker motor which includes briefly R2 crank diesel , std rods ;manufactured pistons.

Once I find out more I will post up for all to see <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

Cheers, Chris <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter, 98 power chip, ext forks, 40mm Dobinson Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Dobinson Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Flocker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, Fully Engineered

#938237 - 07/08/14 01:51 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: 4runnernomore]  
DRX350  Offline

Wheeler
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 235
San Diego, California
I know that other 2.3 build use an F2T crank from a Ford Probe turbo, and pistons from a mitsubishi 4G63.

I forget what they use for rods in those, but I know the MX6 guys are putting nearly 200whp out there...


"Does this part need to be in there?"

1996 Dodge 1500 single cab / short bed, 5.9 4x4; 2" lift (springs not blocks), C.A.I and more mods to come.

#938238 - 07/15/14 01:31 PM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: DRX350]  
classicracer  Offline

Need a Spot
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1
Perth ,Western A ustralia
Hello forum,
I have had some discussion with 4runnernomore on the the kia site regarding the 2.3 litre engine.Or more importantly the one I have built as Chris has already mentioned I have used the the r2 diesel crank.
I used that because its the strongest being forged steel as opposed to the cast iron variants of the same stroke.The other benefits were the timing dowel is in the same position as the sportage crank and has the same bolt pattern as the sporty.
The timing gear has to be removed from the diesel crank I used a spark eroder(edm machine) to split the shrunk on gear.I had read in a different post that a careful bit of disc grinding does the same trick.The diameter that the gear sat then was milled down to make two drive flats for the oil pump.The only real drama was spark eroding oil holes though the bearing journals as the the r2 crank has angular oil holes from main crank journals feeding the nearest cylinder journal bearing.I used standard sporty plan bearings as opposed to grooved bearings that the r2 crank used .
I,ll fill out a few details on next stages tomorrow night.
regards Dave


#938239 - 07/16/14 03:11 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: classicracer]  
Everet  Offline
Body Damage is Cool
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,224
Silicon Valley, CA
Looking forward to all your information as I have plans to build one. I have purchased a 2.2 gas crank so I will need to deal with the flywheel hole issue.
What rods and pistons did you use?
Did you use any special head gasket to allow for the larger bore?
Pictures would be appreciated!!!
Thanks for joining and sharing!

Everet


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#938240 - 07/16/14 11:32 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: classicracer]  
4runnernomore  Offline
Mudrunner
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 375
Darwin Australia
Quote
Hello forum,
I have had some discussion with 4runnernomore on the the kia site regarding the 2.3 litre engine.Or more importantly the one I have built as Chris has already mentioned I have used the the r2 diesel crank.
I used that because its the strongest being forged steel as opposed to the cast iron variants of the same stroke.The other benefits were the timing dowel is in the same position as the sportage crank and has the same bolt pattern as the sporty.


The timing gear has to be removed from the diesel crank I used a spark eroder(edm machine) to split the shrunk on gear.I had read in a different post that a careful bit of disc grinding does the same trick.The diameter that the gear sat then was milled down to make two drive flats for the oil pump.The only real drama was spark eroding oil holes though the bearing journals as the the r2 crank has angular oil holes from main crank journals feeding the nearest cylinder journal bearing.I used standard sporty plan bearings as opposed to grooved bearings that the r2 crank used .
I,ll fill out a few details on next stages tomorrow night.
regards Dave


Hi Dave,

glad to see you on the forum.

I am having issues with access again to the Kia forum.

Cheers, Chris


97 Sporty, snorkel, K&N filter, 98 power chip, ext forks, 40mm Dobinson Springs, KYB struts, 35mm Jeep TJ Dobinson Springs, RAV 4 OME shocks, Kaiser Flocker 5.38 R&P's, 1&3/8 body lift, 245/75 R16 D674's Sports steering wheel, bullbar, Fully Engineered

#938241 - 11/12/14 01:45 AM Re: 2.3L Stroker info post [Re: Everet]  
tspot  Offline

Need a Spot
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 12
Vancouver, BC, Canada
subscribed... thanks guys!


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