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Internet free-speech to go bye-bye #938874 04/05/09 01:52 PM
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Looks like it - another complete and utter violation of the constitution designed in a manner to help remove the lines of communication for anyone that resists this facism...

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/04/can-obama-shut-down-the-internet/

we have no rights anymore, and the attempts to stand up for those rights are being thwarted in any way they can.


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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: bkg] #938875 04/05/09 08:07 PM
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It's pretty clear what they are going to do. The internet won't go away completely. We depend to heavily on it. They are currently working on a 2nd generation of the internet. Google Internet II, or look it up at wikipedia.

We will probably have some major disabling attack on our internet system at some point that causes people to lose a lot of time and productivity and security and the people will be begging for a more secure version of the internet. This new version is already waiting to replace the old version and that's when things will be severely limited.

To what degree, who knows. But I'm sure certain sites will be banned and there will be a lot more controls over free speech in the name of security.

The key is that the people will beg for it, not have it forced on them. Just like they begged for more security and increased fighting of terrorism after 9-11.


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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: bkg] #938876 04/06/09 02:42 AM
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so b1 & b2... why so suprised?
doesnt every single alleged guarenteed right we have so many quid pro quos on it already? i challenge either one of you to point one out to me that isnt controlled by some sort or law on the books that doesnt infringe upon the direct wording of the constitution. about now i would say enter the brown shirts, but that wouldnt be accurate... since their shirts will undoubtedly be green. all of the information that has come out over the last several months has been stuffed on the last page or deeper. i dont think any of it is coinsidence. everything is a piece of the puzzle that is obama, and when the puzzle is completed it will be too late.
anybody like that movie red dawn? i love it. just thought id throw that out there.
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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: grass13] #938877 04/06/09 03:14 AM
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The only thing that surprises me is the speed at which things are happening. I figured all of this was going to happen, from the economy to our rights to complete global take over....at some point in time.

I never dreamed we'd be where we are today this quickly, however. I assumed that we were a good few decades away and that things would take place at far slower pace.

I think the good news is that the quicker the pace, the larger the shock factor and people may at some point wake up to what is going on. I think it's starting to happen.

You're always going to have deniers. Take that "other" guy making fun of us in the regular off topic section. Not that anyone really cares what he thinks, but people who used to think like him and bury their heads in the sand are really starting to wake up in large numbers and that's some hope. Not much, but some.


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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: Brian894X4] #938878 04/06/09 11:45 AM
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Internet2 already exists, been around for years now. Google it and find out what it's really about.


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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: little_joe] #938879 04/06/09 02:24 PM
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Internet2 already exists, been around for years now. Google it and find out what it's really about.


Direct from their abstract:
"A consortium led by universities working in partnership with industry and government to develop and deploy advanced network applications and technologies, accelerating the creation "

It won't matter, Joe. Gov't IS involved in two aspects. 1 - they're involved directly. 2 - they fund the universities and will extort them by cutting funding. That's the new M.O. Internet2 doesn't solve anything.


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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: bkg] #938880 04/06/09 11:42 PM
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Internet2 already exists, been around for years now. Google it and find out what it's really about.


Direct from their abstract:
"A consortium led by universities working in partnership with industry and government to develop and deploy advanced network applications and technologies, accelerating the creation "

It won't matter, Joe. Gov't IS involved in two aspects. 1 - they're involved directly. 2 - they fund the universities and will extort them by cutting funding. That's the new M.O. Internet2 doesn't solve anything.


There are numerous public and private universities, not-for-profits, corporations, and others involved in I2. Gub'mint isn't "directing" the research, it is funding some and encouraging some.

When you get beyond that blurb on your Google search results page, you'll find that the various groups of I2 are doing things like 1) promoting the use of SIP, a completely open protocol 2) thinking about and testing what's next in networking in terms of transport and protocols 3) promoting and utilizing the use of other open standards at all layers of the OSI stack. The company for which I work, for example, built and paid for a multi-vendor lab to research security in open systems, which is accessible to I2 members (gub'mint didn't subsidize it).

All of this reeks of DARPAnet Part Deux, and we all know what an unmitigated failure DARPAnet was. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: little_joe] #938881 04/07/09 12:02 AM
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There are numerous public and private universities, not-for-profits, corporations, and others involved in I2. Gub'mint isn't "directing" the research, it is funding some and encouraging some.

When you get beyond that blurb on your Google search results page, you'll find that the various groups of I2 are doing things like 1) promoting the use of SIP, a completely open protocol 2) thinking about and testing what's next in networking in terms of transport and protocols 3) promoting and utilizing the use of other open standards at all layers of the OSI stack. The company for which I work, for example, built and paid for a multi-vendor lab to research security in open systems, which is accessible to I2 members (gub'mint didn't subsidize it).

All of this reeks of DARPAnet Part Deux, and we all know what an unmitigated failure DARPAnet was. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


I dind't mean to imply that gov't was directing it at all. The fact that they are involved is enough to make gov't think they have the ability and/or right to dictate and eventually monitor. They will do the standard extorsion thing they are doing w/ TARP, GM, etc.

If gov't has any avenue to manipulate or control, they'll take it. These days are scary days.


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Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: bkg] #938882 04/07/09 12:45 AM
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Well, I can relate to a little of the history of the internet...

My first encounter with "internet" was the then DARPANet in 1979 though an acoustic coupled modem.

I was working for a US Navy activity at the time and within the next 10 years, government support brought the commercial internet into being.

Basically, the internet is based on 30 year old architecture and is in need of updating. The updating began over 6 years ago. I was involved with IT security at the time.

The "failure" of DARPANet (centralized computer processing sites) was its inability to adapt to the growth of websites (distributed computer processing sites). NSFNet provided the needed growth still hampered by "old" technology.

Re: Internet free-speech to go bye-bye [Re: Brian894X4] #938883 04/07/09 01:19 AM
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the speed is i think going to be the downfall of whatever is planned... were not europe, not by a long shot. the vast majority of the people in europe are socialist because its been beaten into them. it was like that almost 2 decades ago when i lived there. even after the fall of the soviet union (which isnt gone at all, only dormant), they all actually believed that a sociallist utopia was not only plausable but probable. but in this case your dealing with an entirely different animal. the euros were not to disappoint when they just lied down, it was espected... although, a little shocked that the uk has played along with the eu master plan for so long (hindsight has since then told me that their spirit was all used up in during wwII). and like their european brothren... grown men with the hands of 12yo girls living in the suburbs, metrosexuals that will continue to enjoy their $15 lattes, the inner city (because lets face it, not a dam thing being done to us is being done to them) and last but not least... urban women(i know ill catch some flack for that) will go on with the status quo and wheres its going, hell theyre probably all in favor... as long as it doesnt screw up their pedicure or welfare check. meanwhile, the backbone (both literally and figurtivly speaking) of this country will embody the flying of the stars and bars or dont tread on me... i prefer the latter over the former, personally. i feel sooner than later ground zero will be main steet... suck it nwo.
btw, will somebody please just start a 1984 thread so we can quit piece milling every little story, complaint and worry together? never mind ill do it... suck it barry.


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