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Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? #974220 11/30/09 02:07 PM
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I'm curious if anyone here has ever applied for their own patent (without aid from or contribution to their employer).

I just started reading about the process on the government website and I think it will take me a while. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: NathanC] #974221 11/30/09 03:41 PM
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My Godfather's job is a Patent Illustrator in VA or MD somewhere... I'm sure he might be able to give some Tips on the matter if I asked.


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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: 87Montero] #974222 11/30/09 05:32 PM
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A decade ago my FIL invented a way to spin gold and copper super thin for micro-chips. The company he worked for owned the rights so he didn't exactly get rich but he got the patent in his name anyway. Before that there were only two companies in the world that had the tech so he himself kept us competitive in the world market.


Get it done Nathan.....We need more inventors. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: cmonty72] #974223 11/30/09 06:40 PM
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This is NOT a diy job. You have to claim the world in your original application, and let the patent examiners whittle you down, with your intellectual property lawyer fighting all the way. Last quote I got was around $3500 for a "simple" one. The forms and process are complex, and any little thing gets you kicked out, and the sharks are always around looking for blood in the water, and my lawyer was convinced that some of the examiners were on "retainer" to some of the sharks.

In the meantime, keep it all under your hat unless you have an ironclad non-disclosure agreement. Don't even tell yourself what you are doing. You've already said too much...


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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: fasteddy] #974224 12/01/09 02:17 AM
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Do not say a word at work. I have seen stuff in employement agreements mentioning that if you even thought of the idea at work they have claim on it even if it is not related to your job.


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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: Tag] #974225 12/01/09 02:26 AM
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Yep, it's that tiny font that bites you in the butt. Read it-- several times.


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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: fasteddy] #974226 12/01/09 03:45 AM
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I agree with the guys. Intellectual Property is very hard to document and very easy to steal. Protect yourself. Mum's the word!
And I'll add- Find a qualified attorney! BUT... here's the key part. You have to find one who has documented case contact with a firm in D.C. You need a pair of qualified legs and eyes on the ground in DC. Without them you are at the mercy of the govt. office and those investigators who are only looking out for themselves. They will get around to you, but it may take years, and they may find a way to steal it out from underneath you. With a reputable firm in DC, you get a team of investigators who's job is to search the archives, pendings, applied fors, and too similars. That process is very involved, and done properly, moves you to the front of the line.

Otherwise... you could take about a 6 month vacation to Washington <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Good Luck with it! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

For me, the hard part was what to do with my idea afterwords. I learned that trying to sell it is not often successful, and not having millions to go to market with, makes that route very challenging as well.


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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: NathanC] #974227 12/01/09 09:42 PM
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I'm curious if anyone here has ever applied for their own patent (without aid from or contribution to their employer).

I just started reading about the process on the government website and I think it will take me a while. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/baby.gif" alt="" />


>>>*I started to once, it didn't take me long to change my mind. Instead I now use contractual exclusives and branding, like we do with our racing valves parts lines.

*Those aren't patentable anyway but I wouldn't have tried if they were.

My brother developed a process for coatings on water skis and boats, he did it on his own time at home. At least that is what he said, anyway, I think he might have gotten the idea at his job though.

The company he worked for found out he was trying for a patent, they ended up with the patent and process and my brother ended up running a chemistry lab at another company.

Patents are tricky business, if it's something promising, use an attorney, and don't trust the attorney either....*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: engnbldr] #974228 12/02/09 09:15 AM
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Want to get into the business of supplying a simple part to the US Govt for the HMMWV? I invented it in Iraq, used it in my gun truck for 14 months, and it not only worked flawlessly, but improved safety and combat mobility for myself (and whomever happened to borrow my truck that day).

I was going to run it through the Army's suggestion program for a paycheck, but I used two other ideas as a test... They are only there to steal ideas and claim the one you submitted has some fatal flaw in the design. Those other two ideas are now somehow in use in Iraq and Afghanistan today, even though I was told by the .gov they wouldn't work.

Since you own a machine shop, you could turn out the kits for under $20 each (materials and time), yet sell them at the tune of $50+ x eleventy-billion HMMWVs (well, not that many, but you get the point).

Wanna try? If not, how should I go forward marketing this idea?


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Re: Anyone here ever apply for their own patent? [Re: DRTDEVL] #974229 12/02/09 02:25 PM
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EB-

Want to get into the business of supplying a simple part to the US Govt for the HMMWV? I invented it in Iraq, used it in my gun truck for 14 months, and it not only worked flawlessly, but improved safety and combat mobility for myself (and whomever happened to borrow my truck that day).

I was going to run it through the Army's suggestion program for a paycheck, but I used two other ideas as a test... They are only there to steal ideas and claim the one you submitted has some fatal flaw in the design. Those other two ideas are now somehow in use in Iraq and Afghanistan today, even though I was told by the .gov they wouldn't work.

Since you own a machine shop, you could turn out the kits for under $20 each (materials and time), yet sell them at the tune of $50+ x eleventy-billion HMMWVs (well, not that many, but you get the point).

Wanna try? If not, how should I go forward marketing this idea?


>>>*Let's see...eleventy billion times $30..?? *Hmmm, Carry the one...

Dang.

I am listening, email me direct. I won't swipe your idea and I love to work on new stuff. Even if I can't I might be able to help you find someone who can, I know a good design engineer that fixes my mistakes, too.

*Seriously, exclusives work, when a company produces an item for someone, and that one line is in the agreement, that company cannot manufacture for anyone else.

(Sometimes they do anyway which makes me crabby...*LOL**)

Of course someone else could and with good ideas that happens roughly 100% of the time. Of course that also happens with Patents, then it is court cases and jillions spent and sometimes..maybe...a person collects 15 years later and if the patent owner is very lucky they have enough left for fries with their big Mac. A quick look at a certain folding knife tool maker in Portland will tell that story. He has sued EVERYONE for Patent infringement and there are STILL Chinese copies on the shelf at Walmart.

The way I do it is jump in, advertise, sell fast, get the goody, then run. Prices tumble, it gets to be too much trouble, move on to the next idea. Branding is neat, my *EB widget is much better than Joe's *JB widget if presented correctly, actually, usually is too because I hate cranky phone calls.

That really does work, get in, get the goody, get out, go fishing.

Hit me with it, I will listen....*EB


*Beats the he** outa me!....*LOL**...
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