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Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: NeoXOM] #975197 12/05/09 03:29 PM
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All what power those 2.8's are junk especially the carburated ones. Do what you will but thats a poor power train swap should of used a 4.3L.

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Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: NeoXOM] #975198 12/05/09 03:30 PM
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I'm agree that best option is the 4.3L but remember that the sporty is not does not have heavy weight components to receive all that power without hurts, in my case i had a diesel engine and components like R&P transmissions, etc are differents and works on a different ratio than the gas ones, 4.3 means change all drive train, 2.8 I maintained my Kia transmission, transfer, etc
It's not the same Modify an Sporty than buy a Blazer K5 and put the Sporty cabin on top.

Cost for my Swap was arround 2.5k including labor, suspention and parts.

4.3 would be more expensive for me.

When I was looking for an engine, one friend was selling me a 258 engine, reason why i didn't took it, because had to change transmission (t18), transfer (dana 20), cut the front of the car, more body lift, in order to re-locate the radiator and all those bigger components adding to much weight, incluseive change the diferentials to danas, front dif is an aluminum one IFS, not too heavy, rear one an handle more stress.

This is my daily drive and my super modify rig is a 79 CJ7.

Agree that next step will be take off the IFS and replace doth dif with danas 4.56 R&P actual ratio on the OEM ones that I have & mabe a biger engine, at this moment I'm planing to put them Buick aluminium heads, overhaul that engine with oversized pistons and instal it a Turbo...

After that will definetly fly, but it's a long term project

Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: NeoXOM] #975199 12/05/09 03:30 PM
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Should of at least went with a 3.4 fuel injected and still uses the same bell housing as the 2.8.

Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: NeoXOM] #975200 12/05/09 03:32 PM
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tha's is other option that I'm considering a 3.* fuel injected.

Do you know specifically on which vehiceles came???

Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: NeoXOM] #975201 12/06/09 04:24 AM
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just looking at your front suspension picture, you could swap out the stock top hat for the strut assembly for a custom one that would possibly give a little more height out of the spring, but definitely allow for more travel.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991
Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: DEFBOY35] #975202 12/06/09 05:37 AM
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just looking at your front suspension picture, you could swap out the stock top hat for the strut assembly for a custom one that would possibly give a little more height out of the spring, but definitely allow for more travel.


I'm guessing all you would gain would be up travel, putting your driveline at risk from damage. Down travel is limited by our old bogey, the "saddle" to axle clearance at full droop.

The overall trick with the suspension is not overall height at either end, but matched "spring rates" so that the front runs out of travel as the rear does (compression and droop), irrespective of how much absolute travel that is. This keeps the CoG as close to central as possible, minimizing "lurching" (sudden shifts in CoG) at the ends of the suspension travel.


2002 Sporty , Ironman 2.5" spring, 2" body, 15 x 7 ROH wheels, K&N, 15 x 10.5 Simex Centipedes, Powerchip 91.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience!"
Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: DamKia] #975203 12/06/09 03:55 PM
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* 1991-1994 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 and the Euro 3.4 sedan
* 1991-1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
* 1991-1996 Pontiac Grand Prix
* 1995-1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34
* 1995-1997 Chevrolet Lumina LS
* 1997 Chevrolet Lumina LTZ
Here's a few also came in a factory turbo and supercharged


94 Zj custom suspension and other stuff
01 F250 tow hoe 5" exhaust
00'sporty 3" lift 235's
Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: minydigger] #975204 12/06/09 07:36 PM
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* 1991-1994 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 and the Euro 3.4 sedan
* 1991-1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
* 1991-1996 Pontiac Grand Prix
* 1995-1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z34
* 1995-1997 Chevrolet Lumina LS
* 1997 Chevrolet Lumina LTZ
Here's a few also came in a factory turbo and supercharged


i wouldnt go with the lumina 3400 dohc motor, they are known to be troublesome.

the sohc 3400's out of the later years were strong motors.

i have thought about swapping in the 3.1 out of my car since i wrote it off, but need to figure out if the coolant routing will work in a rwd application, a problem to be overcome by any of the transverse mounted 60 degree v-6s listed above. the next possible obstacle to overcome would be the upper intakes pointing back towards the firewall for the intakes.


2000 SPORTY, DEF BOY customs, mmm....lockers, mmm... gears, mmm... double transfer case, mmm... stroker
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2377991
Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: DEFBOY35] #975205 12/09/09 12:07 AM
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well partially right, at this moment don't have all height that springs give because I still have the stock shocks limiting the suspension.
the reason os because I will put some spacer to compensate the loosing when Customized bumpers will be instales + the winch and will need larger shocks and dont' want double work.

after changing the shocks will have more height/flex.

Re: 2001 Sporty engine swap 2.8 V6 GM [Re: NeoXOM] #975206 12/09/09 11:41 AM
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well partially right, at this moment don't have all height that springs give because I still have the stock shocks limiting the suspension.
the reason os because I will put some spacer to compensate the loosing when Customized bumpers will be instales + the winch and will need larger shocks and dont' want double work.

after changing the shocks will have more height/flex.


You will break your inner and outer front driveshaft CV joints if you stretch them too much. A case of more is not necessarily better.

You ARE limited in how much flex you can get from the front suspension angles.

If you want to get more travel, then get custom fabricated some longer upper and lower wishbones and leave the original distance between the lower inner wishbone chassis mount and the point at which our "saddle" now bolts to ("<" to "||"), extending the distance from the saddle point to the steering knuckle ball joint (from "||" to "X", to "||" to ">")
ie. Lower wishbone.

chassis...............old.......new
<----------||-----X-------->
............Saddle

(I hope you understand the diagram)

New halfshaft axles will also be needed, as will heavier springs and mods to the steering (lengthened TRE's).

More work, but a better result.


2002 Sporty , Ironman 2.5" spring, 2" body, 15 x 7 ROH wheels, K&N, 15 x 10.5 Simex Centipedes, Powerchip 91.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience!"
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