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2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - FINISHED

Posted By: plh

2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - FINISHED - 09/28/09 03:07 AM

Well sort of a how to. What you will need:

Gen 1 V6 Front differential and Left Axle shaft. My donor came from my '89 SWB Raider parts mobile V6 5 speed
LSD carrier from a donor Starion / Conquest - mine was an '88.
Differential shop to do the Ring & Pinion set-up unless you know how. I brought in the parts and paid $100 (cash) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> YMMV

Tools and a Floor Jack (at least for installing - see below)

1. Remove front 2 piece skid plate (6 bolts)
2. Unbolt front drive shaft at front differential, tuck up next to left torsion spring. Don't pull out of transfercase, you will have a leaking mess.
3. Remove 4 nuts/lockwashers holding Right Axle to RH side of front differential.
4. Remove 4 bolts holding differential crossmember to frame and 2 bolts holding crossmember to differential. I also removed the left shock - 2 bolts and a nut.
5. Drain front differential and remove cover.
6. Gently insert flat blade screw driver between end of Left Axle and spider gear shaft - wiggle to disengage the left axle snap ring. This will save a lot of tugging later.
7. Remove 2 nuts holding front differential supports.
8. OK everything is loose now, so position a floor jack under the differential to balance it, then work the unit free. Pay attention to the left axle. It should freely slide out of the dif. housing. I actually did not use a floor jack. I laid on my back on a creeper and pulled it out. My tricepts hurt <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I think a floor jack would work better.

You should end up with this view now.
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Originally I thought the Left Axle shafts were the same between the V6 and the 2.6l, but they are not. The V6 has 28 splines and the 2.6ll has 25.

V6 - 28 Spline
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2.6l - 25 Spline
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Here are a couple shots of the V6 8" with the LSD
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and 1 of the 2.6L 7.5" Open.
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Next came a bit of a frustrating part, that was how to get the Left Axle out of the hub. I messed around with jacks in multiple positions trying to get the LCA up high enough for the outside CV joint to clear enough to pull the shaft out. I was able to do this on the '89, but the '89 does not have the torsion bars cranked like the '88. I could not get it out this way so I grabbed a copy of the FSM and looked through the Front Axle service section. They show pulling the apart the tie rod and ball joints. I didn't have the recommended tools, so made a run to Harbor Freight.

I bought a Pickle Fork for the UCA ball joint as recommended and a Front End Service Kit.
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This kit has various pullers that looked similar to those pictured in the FSM.

more to come...
Posted By: rxinhed

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/28/09 03:41 AM

Thanks for the info. This is a project I'll likely tackle with my V8 Monty SWB. I have a chassis that I'm going to build, then swap the body tub over. Cool!
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/28/09 03:47 AM

9. Remove the brake caliper mounting bolt, swing it up and remove the pads then remove the 2 bolts which mount it to the steering knuckle and the philips screw which holds the dust shield to the mount. Pull the caliper assemble away from the rotor and tie it up to the UCA using string. Be careful to not stress the rubber brake line.

10. Remove the cotter pin from the Tie Rod castle nut and take off the nut, then I flipped it around and screwed it partially back on the tie rod. I grabbed this puller from the kit

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Between the top of the nut and the puller bolt I inserted a 1/8 piece of steel to protect the bolt and nut while pressing the tie rod out of the journal.

11. Place a bottle jack under the LCA. Jack it up until touching the LCA but do not apply much pressure. It is just there for support after the ball joints are unleashed. Remove the LCA ball joint cotter pin and castle nut. I used the same tool as on the tie rod end. Again flipping the castle nut and partially threading it back on and using the same 1/8 piece of steel to protect. This will only pop the shaft out of the steering knuckle at this point.

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12. Remove the UCA ball joint cotter pin and castle nut. The FSM says to use a Pickle Fork. Well this was useless. I beat the snot out of the pickle fork on the UCA ball joint and could not get it to dislodge. So I grabbed this tool from the HF kit and it worked very well. Again following the bolt/nut protection described above.

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When this ball joint pops, there was a bit of a bang as the LCA loaded against the jack.

13. Now you can easily position the steering knuckle to be able to slide the axle out of the hub.

Here are a couple photos with everything apart.

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14. Reinstalling the V6 Differential Housing. Get a Floor Jack! I struggled for over an hour trying to get this 125+lb slippery pig wedge up in place by laying on my back under the vehicle. I ran out of daylight for today. No success. I am planning to get a floor jack to go at it again tomorrow evening.
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/28/09 04:04 AM

As a notation to the above, If I would have known how deep into the Steering Knuckle I had to get to remove the axle, I would have had the following additional swap parts ready:

1. Gen 2 Upper Control arms (just 2 more bolts and the brake line support to remove and replace.

2. Gen 2 Steering Knuckles and Disk Brake Assemblies.

Well at least I have to tools now... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: MontyMcV

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/28/09 03:12 PM

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LSD carrier from a donor Starion / Conquest - mine was an '88.


You also mention spline differences between 2.6 and 3.0. Which CVs you use depends on your SQ donor. As you know, your 88 matched the V6's. If the donor is an 87, you need the I4 CVs. (Earlier donors require other/different setups. Search past threads as needed if you are reading this one.)
Posted By: Kevin C

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/28/09 03:40 PM

I'm sure you also know that the cross 4 cyl member needs to be modified where diff mounts. The cross member from the V6 has a differant bolt pattern where it mounts to the frame and does not line up.

Kevin
Posted By: MontyMcV

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/28/09 04:39 PM

Good reminder. Rather than deal with the xmember, I redrilled the tab on mine. Also trimmed down the taller top bushing.

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Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/29/09 02:23 AM

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I'm sure you also know that the cross 4 cyl member needs to be modified where diff mounts. The cross member from the V6 has a different bolt pattern where it mounts to the frame and does not line up.


Nope I didn't know this. I still have the cross member from the '89 so shouldn't be a problem.

Crap weather today, 55F and rain. Tomorrow should be dry. Stopped at HF again and bought this transmission jack. Jack on sale at the local for $74. Figured it was worth it. I still need to pull the 5 speed and transfer case out of the '89 so it should come in handy for that too. I work alone so it will be better than dropping it on my head <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/drunk.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Kevin C

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/29/09 03:05 AM

Just to be sure.. A V6 crossmember wont bolt up to a 4 cyl frame, you will have to mod the 4 cyl cross member.



Kevin
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/29/09 03:25 AM

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Just to be sure.. A V6 crossmember wont bolt up to a 4 cyl frame, you will have to mod the 4 cyl cross member.


Every day I learn something. Thanks for the info. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: MontyMcV

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/29/09 04:34 AM

Get new c-clips too.

Have you searched for this topic? Including Kevin's username? He has some comments on lock-tite and bearing housings(?). A possible weakness. Haven't wheeled mine enough to know if I have any issues.
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 02:15 AM

Thanks for the pointer, great info on the other links.

Made some progress tonight, and a small set back. Transmission jack worked great. Dif is now hanging in position. Drilled a new hole in the housing for the rear mount. Now trying to figure out how much to trim out of the gen 1 isolator.

Setback was realizing the right CV shaft actually is different between the 2.6l and the V6. Pulled the shock, caliper, tie rod end, and ball joints on the right side to swap in the V6 shaft.

At least there is forward progress now - its going together!
Posted By: Kevin C

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 06:04 AM

There are two choices for right CV assemblies on the V6. The larger joints are used on the stick. The larger joints also have a larger bolt pattern on the stub axle flange.

Kevin
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 12:38 PM

I see it now. I have the V6 stick front dif and of course the V6 stick CV shafts. I did a quick tape measure check of the 2.6l Right side bolt circle when still hanging in the vehicle and it looked close to the same <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> but once I had the V6 dif hanging in the new spot I realized the BC is slightly bigger on the axle. Not really a big deal I have the parts, just will add an hour or 2 of my labor to the project.
Posted By: MontyMcV

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 02:03 PM

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...Now trying to figure out how much to trim out of the gen 1 isolator...


Here are a few more pics, FWIW. I should have put a tape to the parts when I snapped them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> (The third pic has the parts all strung on a long nail/spike so that they would show the edges better.)

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Posted By: MontyMcV

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 02:14 PM

In the event that others here are reading this thread, are newer to the forum, and haven't searched too far back, here is a link to when I did this swap. It also has links to other threads from 5+ years ago. (Has it been that long?)

Front LSD thread from the past

None of this is meant to take away from plh's great postings here, which has far better details. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Kevin C

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 03:54 PM

What I do remember is that I used a hole saw to open up the cross member to let the rubber isolator drop down further. This also helped with the pinion angle. I know I did some welding as well.

I did move the bracket mounting points so that I did not have to drill the tab on the pumpkin.

Obviously both way work.... Its all about preferences.

Fun to read the old threads!

Kevin
Posted By: Kevin C

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 04:35 PM

Another Thread

I found the thread where it was figured out that the 88-89 Starion LSD fit using the V6 front axles and CV joints.

Prior to that the only known swaps were using the 87 Starion diff in the V6 housing with 4 cyl axles and using the 4 cly housing with the 86 and older Starion LSD.

I remember being told that there was no way to use the V6 axles with an LSD, but I was not convinced. Turns out it was a pefect fit.

Fun times,

Kevin
Posted By: LandRaider

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/30/09 08:09 PM

I'm impresses by all the legwork, research, junkyard time, and ingenuity that you guys have shown.

We've come a long way. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

There's really not an offroad modification thats NOT available for us.
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/03/09 02:30 AM

Hopefully will finish up on Saturday. Did a little work the later part of the week, but other things in life took most of my time after work - oh yea and it rained a bunch for a few days.

There was mention in some of the old posts I read that people have installed axle retainers. Not sure where as I didn't run across any photos. Here is a shot of the assembly which I pulled, can someone point out where to install the retainer? I'll guess guess on the bolt head side...
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Toasty will be happy that the Aisins he sold me earlier this year are finally getting put in place <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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man oh man those rotors look pitiful. 4 days of rain and they get all rusted up. I ordered a new set of '89 V6 size from Rock Auto for $11 each, I grabbed the caliper mounts and dust shields off my '89 so when I get the Gen 2 UCAs I can tear everything apart again <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Oyaji_Jon

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/03/09 02:50 AM

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...the Asians he sold me...


Ummmm, I don't think you can do that any more. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/03/09 01:26 PM

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...the Asians he sold me...


Ummmm, I don't think you can do that any more. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


oops! fixed <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: 0778drz110

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/03/09 02:30 PM

thanks for the right up! I should be picking my 8" IFS up in a few hours <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: 0778drz110

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 12:16 AM

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thanks for the right up! I should be picking my 8" IFS up in a few hours <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

6 and a half hours later with my uncle not knowing a clue what to do we pulled it!
4.625, 107k miles, $110! giggity giggity <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Now to buy lockout hubs, 1" BJ spacer, Gen2 arms, Gen2 brakes, and Aussie locker all to go in at once and not pull it apart 5 times <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 01:52 AM

Looks nice, I hope you grabbed the driveshaft.
Posted By: 0778drz110

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 03:23 AM

damn...






<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> they're different I assume? Well, gives me an excuse to go tomorrow! I forgot some other stuff aswell... In FL they don't have as many junk cars(no rust) so I grabed it before some messican did...and I only guessed what I should need <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 03:47 AM

It was an early afternoon of rework, for sure not my favorite thing to do. 2 things required redo.

1. I was unpacking my parts container getting ready to get going today and noticed I had 4 brass thrust washers - crap! I forgot to install it on the already together Left side. Dropped it all apart again to reassemble.

Don't forget this:
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It goes here:

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2. The FSM seams a bit vague on how to assemble the Aisin hubs. First try I didn't have it correct. The FSM doesn't show that the Tension Spring needs to be wound into the Free Wheeling Hub Clutch. So I was perma locked

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Finally have the whole Left side together, all the bolts properly torqued and new cotter-pins installed.

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On to the driveshaft - working my way across the vehicle. I didn't see this documented anywhere. The 2.6l driveshaft is about 1" too long. It didn't bolt up - just too long. Measuring up the V6 dif quickly from the pinion flange to the cover it is almost 1" longer than the 2.6l dif.

This is the 2.6l shaft measuring 26 1/4" U Joint center to center:

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This is the V6 shaft measuring 25 1/4" U Joint center to center:
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Glad I still had the V6 shaft. Please note that pulling the driveshaft from the transfercase is a quick way to evacuate the lube. I have Redline all over my driveway now <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

The Left side is all together now too, but waiting for daylight to torque it up. Hopefully it is dry here on Sunday.
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 03:50 AM

What do I fill the new dif with? I have several quarts of Mobile 1 75W 90. Is this OK?
Posted By: MartySoCal

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 02:41 PM

Good write-up! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

75-90 synthetic should work very well in the diff.

So the V6 front driveshaft fits the 4 cyl. t-case with no mods? Did that V6 25-1/4" shaft come from the same manual trans V6 Raider as the diff? Is the 4 cyl a stick or auto? Would an auto trans V6 front driveshaft be longer? Would the early 3 speed 904 auto trans 4 cylinder shaft be shorter than the stick one?

Does anyone know if the Gen 2 reverse cut front diff assy. will fit the Gen 1 4 cyl. frame in a similar manner? Would the center axle disconnect be difficult to remove? 4.88's seem to be easier to find in Gen 2's and reverse cut is stronger in a front diff application. (I'm seeing alot of these in the yards from the clunker program <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> )

What about the Montero Sport front diff? Any advantage to that one? (Alot of these showing up, too)
Posted By: 1986powerram50

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 03:13 PM

Grasscat and Cheif (I think) have both swapped complete early SR suspesnion into there rigs. So Id say its doable
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 10:53 PM

Finished! sort of. A few loose ends to tie up, like rechecking torques after a few days driving so I didn't replace the front skid plates yet.

Here is a photo of the front crossmember. The 2.6l dif mount is shown aligned to the mounting holes. The V6 mount is to the right. The V6 mount is about 3/8" wider so the holes do not align.

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To modify the 2.6l mount I used a utility knife and cut the upper rubber isolator as close to in-half as I could estimate. Tough stuff. I then took the top half and placed it washer side down (appears fused) on top of the lower isolator. I found another large washer and placed it on the remaining cut half in contact with the dif. casting. I bolted the mount to the cross member, inserted the bolt sandwich in the new hole drilled in the dif. used a bottle jack and prybar to align the crossmember to the frame holes.

Here is a close-up of the mount installed:

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Nothing else out of the ordinary torquing up the right side, so the finish went smoothly.

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No offroading test until next weekend <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> The on-road went OK!
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 11:02 PM

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So the V6 front driveshaft fits the 4 cyl. t-case with no mods?


It did for me, was a little worried about this.

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Did that V6 25-1/4" shaft come from the same manual trans V6 Raider as the diff?


Yes

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Is the 4 cyl a stick or auto?


Stick

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Would an auto trans V6 front driveshaft be longer? Would the early 3 speed 904 auto trans 4 cylinder shaft be shorter than the stick one?


I have no idea on these questions.

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Does anyone know if the Gen 2 reverse cut front diff assy. will fit the Gen 1 4 cyl. frame in a similar manner? Would the center axle disconnect be difficult to remove? 4.88's seem to be easier to find in Gen 2's and reverse cut is stronger in a front diff application. (I'm seeing alot of these in the yards from the clunker program <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> )

What about the Montero Sport front diff? Any advantage to that one? (Alot of these showing up, too)


Great questions! I barely know the Gen 1's not much knowledge at all on the Gen 2 and later.

-Paul
Posted By: 0778drz110

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 10/04/09 11:17 PM

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On to the driveshaft - working my way across the vehicle. I didn't see this documented anywhere. The 2.6l driveshaft is about 1" too long. It didn't bolt up - just too long. Measuring up the V6 dif quickly from the pinion flange to the cover it is almost 1" longer than the 2.6l dif.

This is the 2.6l shaft measuring 26 1/4" U Joint center to center:

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This is the V6 shaft measuring 25 1/4" U Joint center to center:
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Glad I still had the V6 shaft. Please note that pulling the driveshaft from the transfercase is a quick way to evacuate the lube. I have Redline all over my driveway now <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


The one I pulled came from a '91 V6 auto, but the driveshaft is 27 1/4" long ujoint center to center. I guess I'll have to get it shortened.
Posted By: plh

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/04/10 02:12 AM

Well its been almost a year so here is a review:
For sure the install is complete.
Driving impressions: On the road in snow and ice (yup Wisconsin) I only lock 1 hub as it is very squirly and pulls hard right on slippery surfaces. Locking 1 hubs is not much different than driving with the OE open differential. Off road - jeez real 4 WD - what can I say "unstoppable!?" and with the Aisins also installed I don't worry about the hubs becoming unlocked. The LSD unit is quite tight as I'm using Mobile 1 without LSD additive so we get lots of 4 wheel grip. Would I go this route again? In an instant.
I found the '88 Starion LSD on car-part. Looks like $150 will get you one there today.
Posted By: MartySoCal

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/04/10 03:02 PM

Would a rear 4 cyl. limited slip differential fit the V6 front diff housing if you use the 28 spline shafts? They seem to be easier to find in the yards.
Posted By: Kevin C

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/04/10 05:23 PM

No, unfortunately the 4 cyl rear LSD not only has the wrong splines, its too wide. And if it did fit we would we all have been really silly spending all that effort to track down Starion diffs. So even if it did... we could never admit it. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Seriously , they do use the same bearings, and I had considered trying to cut down a spare 4 cyl rear Torsen diff to fit. I know the torsen case can take it, but then there is the axle issue. That's why I went with the LSD unit up front.

I have posted this before, but it seems to get forgotten. The Starion LSD can be modded for varying degrees of preload and lockup.

There is room to add more disks. For winter use I removed the preload springs and added more friction disks. When on the throttle the torque reaction of the diff applies the clutches. With the extra friction disks the lock up rate is improved. So you start out with less friction but as you apply power you end up with more.

This wont help very much if one tire is on ice and the other has traction. Until you press on the brakes and add some friction load, then you get good lockup. Combine this with a read LSD and I feel you get a pretty decent setup for bad weather.

This assumes you have an auto or three feet.

I tested mine in the snow a few years ago and it worked really well. I did find the back end felt a bit squirrely if I tried to drive above 40 mph on slick snowy roads. One of the highways I was on has large wear grooves and the back end felt like it wanted to come around drivne at a good clip in the snow. I'm not sure it the front LSD cause this or not. It felt like it was something to do with the rear Torsen that I have, and or my really beat up leaf springs.

I chose just to keep my speed to 30 MPH.

The back end of my Raider feels a bit squirrely in 2wd in the wet... My rear springs have 345,000 miles on them and are a little twisted from the PO going into a ditch.

Its on the list of stuff to fix.

Kevin
Posted By: FrankR

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/04/10 07:19 PM

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The back end of my Raider feels a bit squirrely in 2wd in the wet...


So does mine, when I turn a wet corner from a dead stop first thing in the morning..... the rear tires will lose traction and want to swap ends. It's probably the LSD not releasing when cold, but I suspect it'll feel the same in hard snow or ice. The squirreliness is likely worse in the SWB.

When I lived in CT, I used to laugh at the commuter yuppies trying to drive '80s Cherokees uphill on ice.... most ended up in the ditch after some nice spin-outs. They never understood why their go-anywhere 4WD super-macho machines couldn't negotiate the hills. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

I'm very interested in testing my rear LSD in some ice and snow this winter to see how bad it is.

Frank
Posted By: Kevin C

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/04/10 09:14 PM

I have used a clutch type LSD in snow and remember the feel... This is a bit different.

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Not totally sure on mine.. I just know it not like the last Raider.
Kevin
Posted By: MartySoCal

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 09/04/10 09:36 PM

I think adding a Aussie Locker would work better for my buddy, as we use his rig in the desert and don't have to worry about snow/ice like you guys back in the snow belt! It should be easier to find than a good used Starion diff, too!

When I aded a limited slip to his rear axle, I split the carrier and bead blasted the discs/clutches. It's very tight. Basically, it's a copy of the Dana Powerlock diff.

One question I had about a year ago when this thread was new was whether or not the Gen 2 disconnecting, reverse rotation diff assembly could be used, and whether or not the disconnect can be removed from the housing by, for example, swapping in a solid intermediate shaft and blocking off the disconnect mechanism. (like the Jeep XJ people do)

There's a '95 3.5l SR with a locking rear axle, rear disc brakes, and a front, reverse rotation 4.89 ratio disconnecting diff in the local yard that might make for a good donor vehicle!
Posted By: Maciek

Re: 2.6l Gen 1 Front Axle Swap with Gen 1 V6 LSD - How Too - 02/01/16 08:49 AM

Bump cause i'm lsd jelly. Seriously though, how can I find the part numbers for things like those brass thrust washers, or the spindle seals, or the locking hub bolts?
thanks,
~M
Posted By: plh

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