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87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas

Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/08/19 03:44 PM

I hope I'm starting this thread correctly, I'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to add it. I've copied a lot of wording from my first thread "Carb and vacuum Issues" because it gives an idea of where I'm starting with my Raider. I would like to thank "GrantCee" and "rxinhed" for responding to my first thread, encouraging me to start this thread.

Just a little background. I am the proud owner of an 87 Gen1 Raider I picked up for $240 on an insurance buy back. It has the 2.6 motor with 5-speed manual. It's totally stock and in fairly rough condition with 148k miles on it. The body has a lot of rust and the paint is terrible, but the frame is solid. The drive train all works, but it is all tired and needs to be refreshed. Steering and suspension are all wore out (It bounces down the road like a basketball and shimmies at anything over 35 mph). It does run but only if you give it no more than 1/2 throttle. It is starting out really plain and kind of rough but I've been doing lots of research on this forum, as well as other places on the net, and have big plans for it.

I wanted to document the process of re-working my 87 Gen1 Raider. I'll be doing it at the same time I'm helping my youngest boy (14 yr old) re-work the 87 Ranger STX "High Rider" for him to drive. So I might not always have something to post on the Raider, because half of my time will be spent helping him. I've done a lot of dirt bike complete rebuilds from the floor up, so I understand engines and am comfortable turning wrenches, but I don't have as good an understanding about 4-strokes or more than 1 cylinder.

Being a newby is tough, not just new to this forum but this is the first forum I've ever joined. When I was reading threads, as an outsider, I realized what a great group of people the members were. This group is friendly, very knowledgeable and seem to always be willing to help each other out. This was very influential to me joining this forum because I don't know anyone else in Kansas that even owns a Mitsubishi or a Raider, they're just not that common.

I'm fixing up the Raider so I can go on rides with friends that all drive side by sides (I can't afford a $20k toy). Figured I could get the Raider up to speed for around $5-10k in about 3 years and still be able to use it on the ranch or drive it down state/federal highways if I want.

I have a general 3 year plan for upgrading;
1st year is to get it running descent and driving good (lift kits, complete front end rebuild, upgraded wheels/tires and anything else MaMa will allow.

2nd year is the body work (rust repair, bob the rear top off, roll bar, fastback top, rhino line inside, paint outside flat gray or tan, lights all around, after market bumpers and a 10-12k winch).

3rd year will be a complete drive train replacement (4M40 diesel, tranny, t-case, newer model diffs w/ lockers and at least 33" tires).
I'm also thinking about building a complete cage for it. My middle son is a senior in high-school, he will be going to the local JUCO to get his welding certification and my youngest wants to take welding when he starts high-school next year. So I should have plenty of expertise when this takes place.

To start with, something with the carburetor wasn't right, it was very sluggish and would go through a tank of gas in about 100 miles (roughly 7-9 miles per gallon). I've read a lot about changing the stock carb for a Weber and "GrantCee" helped me out with suggesting the Weber 32/36 DGEV in the Redline K610 conversion kit, so I've got one on order (hope to get it this week). I plan to remove all the emissions vacuum line and electronics after I get it on and would be glad to give it all to forum brethren who live in emission required states.

"GrantCee" tells me that he's getting 24-25 mpg with his Weber when it was dialed in correctly, that's really good mileage, difference should pay for the cost of my Weber carb conversion in less than 10 tanks of fuel.

I still have the original Jet Valve Head and don't plan to change it unless I have to.

I'm running stock wheels and tires for now but have some 30.5x11.5 R15 Super Swampers on 15x8 ProComp alum wheels I ordered earlier for it (the wheels were only $67 each). Just gotta get the engine running good enough to turn them.

I ordered and received a new 2" lift OME suspension lift last week. I'm waiting to get it into a shop to have it installed and the complete steering system and suspension gone through.

I've ordered a 2" body lift from 4crawler.com and am waiting for it to come in. (I hope I placed the order correctly).

Bought some 4" fiberglass fender extensions from a place in Cyprus on Ebay. They look really good and I'll be storing them for a while until I can get to the body work.

I will take some pictures as it sits now and update them as I make changes to my rig. Sorry for running on, but as you can tell, I'm really excited about this project. I'm 53 years old and this is the first time I've had a chance to take something like this on (makes me feel like a kid again).

LTUX

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Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/08/19 03:46 PM

Here are some other photo's of the original Raider.

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Posted By: GrantCee

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/09/19 09:40 PM

About my mileage report...I failed to correct for the larger than stock tire size in my caculations. When I factored that in, I was actually getting 26-27 with the original head. Now with the 2-valve head, I'm getting an actual 21.5-22.5!

grin
Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/10/19 03:33 AM

Wow, that’s really great mileage!!
Can’t wait to get my Weber installed, it just has to come in. Raider has to go into the shop this weekend to get the steering and suspension taken care of, then carb should be at house waiting to be installed.
Posted By: Bigshankhank

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/10/19 08:20 PM

That's a super clean Raider, nice find for only $250.
Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/10/19 10:16 PM

Thanks Hank,
It was my oldest boys. He had it parked in town at a friends while they were out of town for the weekend and a girl hit the driver side front bumper so hard it knocked it 60’ down the street and pushed it it over a 16” curb. Totaled her Corolla and only bent the bumper back about an inch. At that point I knew it was a tough little truck, so when her insurance company wanted to total it out I asked what they had to have to buy it back. They paid the boy $2,600 and sold it to me for $240. I’d been bugging my wife about buying a newer side by side and she asked me what it would take for me to fix up the Raider instead. I told her 6-8k, that’s how I got the 2-3k per year budget to spend on it.

Ain’t I lucky!!!
Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/14/19 03:15 PM

Poor little Raider is feeling lonely and in need of some attention.

Finally, the Weber 32/36 showed up on Friday, hope to get it all installed Saturday.

Here's how everything looked before the install.


Description: I got the Weber carb on Friday and hope to get it all installed Saturday. (9am)
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Description: Well I finally got started with the many changes to my Raider,
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Description: Here's how everything looked before the install.
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Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/14/19 03:20 PM

All the vacuum lines finally are gone.


Description: Old carb off, intake manifold cleaned and all the vacuum lines removed.
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Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/14/19 03:26 PM

Now to put everything back together.


Description: First is the new Weber carb
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Description: Then the fuel pressure regulator
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Description: Total set up looks really Nice. opens lots of extra space under the hood.
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Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/14/19 11:08 PM

AND here is all the "STUFF" I removed and is available to who ever needs it. (Not including the messy cart of tools)

This install was started at roughly 9am and was completed by 6pm on Saturday. I knew what I was doing because of the research I did on all the threads here.

Thanks to all of you through out the years who have helped others with this install because I read all I could find and it prepared me for everything that would have been an issue if I would not have had these resources.


I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANY SPECIFIC PLACE TO LIST ALL THE VACUUM EMISSIONS STUFF OR IF THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO NEEDS IT, BUT I HOPE SOMEONE CAN USE IT IN A STATE THAT REQUIRES IT. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING FOR IT, JUST PICK UP THE SHIPPING AND I'LL SEND IT OUT TO YOU.


I also plan to remove and re-work all of the wiring to remove all of the emissions equipment involved there as well. so if someone needs any of it just let me know.


Description: FREE STUFF for who ever needs it
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Description: My messy tool cart after the install.
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Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/18/19 04:04 AM

Well I must have caught a SERIOUS RAIDER DISEASE.

Found the only other Raider in Hutchinson and it was a lot cleaner than mine, so I bought it. I’m now the proud owner of a 1988 Raider w/ AT, rebuilt 2.6 and right at 100k miles. Gave $2,500 for it but it will make an excellent run around vehicle for my wife for when we get her 2008 ‘Burban sold.

May have to post some pics for it later.
Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/28/19 02:28 AM

Well all my front end parts came in for the 87 Raider project, so it is in the shop getting them and the OME lift kit installed.

In the mean time, I've got mama's 88 Raider to work on. It had a Weber carburetor when we bought it, but it's settings were all messed up, NO fuel pressure regulator and the "kick-down" cable was not attached (88 has an automatic tranny) and it wouldn't run over 2k RPM's or 35-40 mph.

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Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/28/19 02:33 AM

I spent all day re-working the throttle linkage, properly connecting the "kick-down" cable, installed Holley fuel pressure regulator and changing oil.

I re-used the throttle cable cam from the stock carb. I think I may have to do a little more work to get everything working properly, the secondary's aren't opening up and I don't know why (time for more research, anyone have any idea's??).

I read a lot of posts about how to connect the "kick-down" cable and found lots of things being done to fill the gap from the throttle cam arm to the cable end, from using a piece of wire to a zip tie. I wanted to use something a little more durable and didn't know what I was going to use. Last night I woke up with the perfect solution. I went to the local farm store and purchased a few different sized chain master-links, so I would have some adjustability in length. WORKED LIKE A CHARM!!! Tranny shifts perfect now.

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Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/28/19 02:38 AM

Fuel pressure regulator went on quick (about 15 minutes), since I already worked through the issues installing one on my 87. Noticed the fuel pressure was "bouncing" between 0-4 psi (ding ding ding ding). I think I have a bad fuel pump and the local parts store won't have one until tomorrow. Hope that fixes the issue.

Last thing for today was adding 5oz of sea foam to the oil and running it for about 20 minutes while I sprayed the carb with Sea Foam to clean out the carbon. Did the "Hot" soak and re-run. Then changed oil and filter. I'm amazed how much smoother it runs.

Think I'll take it to a tranny shop for a service after I get the new fuel pump installed.
Posted By: Bigshankhank

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/29/19 09:07 PM

Love the chain link fix, brilliant!
Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 04/30/19 12:30 AM

Thanks Hank, I thought it would be a lot more reliable than a piece of wire or a zip tie. Hopefully it will help out someone else who was struggling with the issue.
Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 05/11/19 02:41 AM

Still waiting to get my Raider out of the alignment shop, taking a while to get parts.

Mama's Raider is running great now that I got the "kick down" cable properly adjusted and the carb tuned up. I was having a problem with the fuel pressure fluctuating between 0 and 4 psi. Couldn't figure out what the problem was but expected an issue with the existing fuel pump. Come to find out, the previous owner had installed the incorrect fuel pump trying to avoid using a fuel pressure regulator (BIG MISTAKE). It had a restriction on both outlets and wouldn't feed fuel fast enough to the Weber, so the bowl was running dry during acceleration. Also had a conversation with the PO and he didn't remember plugging the coolant port in the intake manifold that was used to heat the Mikuni carb. Gonna have to pull off the Weber and conversion plates tomorrow, to tap and plug the port if it hasn't already been done.


Say Hank, did you find a rear wiper arm, I have an extra somewhere you can have if you still need it.
Posted By: Bigshankhank

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 05/11/19 01:39 PM

Great updates, glad to hear you figured out the Weber's problems.

Yes, I do still need a rear wiper arm, especially as it is getting in to the rainy season here in Florida. I'll shoot you a PM.
Posted By: Tuxedo_Ranch

Re: 87 Gen1 Rebuild in Kansas - 05/12/19 12:43 PM

I know what you mean about rain, We've had around 9" in the last week with hail and tornadoes all over the place. All the ponds are full and country roads around my place are flooded, my boys have to go an extra 10-12 miles just to get to school.
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