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front end noise

Posted By: jays2001

front end noise - 08/24/09 12:01 AM

im getting a rumbleing sound and vibration on the decel side but hit the gas and it stops not sure what it is wheel bearings or the half shaft is bad but not sure or it could be bad drive shaft maybe i dont know. this only happens when 4wheel is engaged or the hubs are locked in but free wheeling is fine so i think bearings are out of the pic. hmmmm any ideas or experince with this kind of thing would help. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Dryver

Re: front end noise - 08/24/09 12:37 PM

I had the same noise. The rear u-joint on my front drive shaft was completely shot. Took it to a local dealership since I'm the original owner (lessee) and it had under 100K on the clock. They did about $2K to $3K of warranty work for me including hubs, half shafts and new drive shaft. All I was looking for was a new u-joint! I figured they took advantage of the situation to boost their income in a bad economy since Kia reimburses them for warranty work.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 08/24/09 11:48 PM

mine is in the half shafts, took out the front drive shaft and locked the hubs in and still have the noise and vibration,i guess it could be hubs half locked or something not sure yet.
Posted By: jaboo5322

Re: front end noise - 08/25/09 12:38 PM

Could be bad outer axle bearings. They don't turn unless your either in four wheel, or hubs are locked. Mine were fried. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 08/25/09 11:34 PM

hmmm that is possible because took the hub off and put in 4wheel and noise is there so it has to be bearing or shaft orielys has shaft for 59.99 so ordering that and bearings do it all while i got it a part
i know bearings are shot any way because when front end is off the ground grab the wheel and there is alot of play there.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 08/26/09 12:32 PM

If I'm replacing bearings should I just go ahead and replace inner and outer?
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 08/26/09 11:31 PM

thats what im going to do it is 6.50 for inner and 6.50 for outer so if doing one while im there do the other not expensive so take it how u want work now or down the road have the other go bad and have to take it apart again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 08/27/09 12:46 AM

You might want to think about the needle bearing as well while your in there. I have had to do both of mine and I have done all wheel bearings as well.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 08/27/09 12:49 PM

Is the spindle or needle bearing dealer only?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 08/27/09 11:28 PM

Yes it was for me.
I think they were under 20 Canadian each.
I can throw up the pic I have of that area if you like.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 08/28/09 01:21 AM

sure, I need to get it done so if you have a pic it would be appreciated
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 08/28/09 02:04 AM

started mine tonight got them out with ease the rotor bracket was different story [pre-soak recomended]6 foot pry bar and a hammer took care of it and the rest went smooth and while im there a couple wheel studs are getting replaced. i will take a couple photos of it going back together and with it already apart, got ahead of myself when taking apart and no photos
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 08/28/09 07:04 AM

This is not an actual photo or anything...I was not doing that back then...not really doing now either...lol
Its all I had to go by when I did this.
Just sits right in the back of the knuckle.
Thought I had one somewhere....I will have a look and if I find it I will throw it up here.

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Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 08/28/09 10:17 PM

well bearings are done and my noise is still with me and the bearings have nothing to do with the half shaft so i should have known better because they dont even make contact with each other. they needed changed anyway pretty easy job. next question is what does the half shaft ride on inside the spindle? didnt take that apart yet until i get the axle so i guess that will be next weekend project 4x4 still works so if it aint broke wheel thats what im going to do.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 08/29/09 12:39 AM

The Needle Bearing holds the inner part of the half axle when it is all the way in, and the hub holds the outer part of it. If your needle bearing is gone it will make noises and you will not be able to figure it out until you take it all apart and look at it. I was so confused with this myself until I got it apart and saw the shape of the bearing....Now and then it made no noise...but when it did make noise it was not nice.

Check the needle bearing.
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 08/30/09 06:27 PM

i started getting this problem yesterday when i locked the hubs...First time i hear this but don't sound like a very nice noise....I'll be taking mine apart through the week. I'll try to take some pics and post as i go.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/01/09 12:22 AM

i got the needle bearing fri and only 9.81 per side from the dealer, shockingly cheap for a dealer part.doing this weekend after i get the half shaft bought. hope this is it becase if that doesnt fix it im totaly lost on what it could be because after that the front end on that side has been pretty well rebuilt.
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/01/09 01:18 AM

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i got the needle bearing fri and only 9.81 per side from the dealer, shockingly cheap for a dealer part.doing this weekend after i get the half shaft bought. hope this is it becase if that doesnt fix it im totaly lost on what it could be because after that the front end on that side has been pretty well rebuilt.

Hope its that cheap here in canada...I'm gonna call tomorow
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 09/01/09 05:06 AM

17 bucks in Vancouver I think it was. I bought a few of them...have extras in the truck...lol
Also....I just remembered.....I replaced the half shaft on the drivers side before I knew about the needle bearing...Expensive way to trouble shoot.
I still have that half shaft as there is nothing wrong with it after all.
Did I ever feel like a tool after that....lol

Hope it all goes good for you guys.
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/01/09 12:44 PM

Just called kia and they are 15.94 plus tax here. Like said previously strange they are not that expensive. Now just have to find some numbers for the inner and outer as i will try to these at the bearing store...If anyone has any numbers for these would help alot. This is for a 01 sportage EX.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/02/09 12:21 AM

same as mine do u canadians have orielys auto part store up there? they were the cheapest for me in and out cost 15.98 together that was tax and everything. threw the boxes away already so dont have the part # off hand. sorry
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/02/09 12:52 AM

Advance Auto carries the inner and outer for about $20 each.
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/02/09 01:17 AM

Never heard of oreily's but maybe advance auto. I'll have to check into that for the inner and outer bearings.
Posted By: Hydra747

Re: front end noise - 09/02/09 02:42 AM

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Never heard of oreily's but maybe advance auto. I'll have to check into that for the inner and outer bearings.


It is a small shop in Limerick County Ireland <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />



Hope u fix it Me Lad! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: londart

Re: front end noise - 09/02/09 03:08 AM

oreilys is the company that bought out csk inc.(checker,schucks,kragen)so if you had one of thosein your area you should have an oreilys...my epart connection is down for some reason so i will try again later otherwise i will get you the timken part #s tomorrow @ work
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 09/02/09 06:11 AM

Wish I could help with where to get your parts, but I shop at VAP, Vancouver Auto Parts. Whatever they don't have is Dealer only. So it has worked out great for me this way.
Hurry and rip them front ends apart....I want to know if it is the needle bearings....lol
I don't think any part number I have for this stuff will be worth anything here as this is from a store no one here goes to.
Posted By: londart

Re: front end noise - 09/02/09 06:46 AM

okay i came up with some bca part #s that any reputable parts place should be able to cross into their own #s...outer bearing set= A18... inner bearing= LM102949... inner race = LM102910....hope this helps <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/03/09 12:39 AM

hahaaaaa holy crap needle bearing!what needle bearing mine was the outer wall of the bearing and that was it,had to chisel it in half to get it out. new one went in smooth not bad to do i will have pics up thursday. i'm alittle slow with posting pics i know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 09/03/09 08:08 AM

LOL.....That is exactly what mine was like.....I was looking at what I had in the package and it didn't look like what was in there..At All!
So what all got replaced due to a 16 dollar part?
Of course it is good to do these things anyhow.
For me, it was my half axle...was around 100 bucks. Could of put that to better use!

Hardly wait to see the pix...

Glad ya found it.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/05/09 01:06 AM

all new bearings new cv boot almost replaced the shaft and i have to drill out the bolt on the lower ball joint because it twisted off before i realized didnt need to take it apart to get the shaft out, the stupid jack was in the way.lol
thanks for the info and idea of the needle bearings wouldnt have thought of that one.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/05/09 01:32 AM

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the lower ball joint does not have to be removed at all even tho in top photo the nut is gone.
second photo was all that was left
3 pic was the place the new one will go the next is bearing started and so on the last is a socket i used as my install tool, it worked thats all that matters just dont hit it real hard.
oooo almost forgot if its lifted you will have to raise and lower the control arm to get shaft out, lower to get the end by the spindle out and lift it up so the top will come out from diff i left mine hang there in the strut fork didnt want to take that apart again gives you plenty of room to service the needle bearing <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/05/09 02:12 AM

K i just did mine tonight in about 2 hours one side but few screw ups like forgeting to put the washer on the axel so had to remove all again to put it in place. Just droped the upper ball joint like said in previous post. Changed all three bearings for 68$ tax in. Gonna go get the bearings for the other side also And do it.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/05/09 02:45 AM

sweet ,gotta to love rework,lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 09/05/09 05:51 AM

lol..I remember seeing the same washer after finishing...and then thinking....should I?? lol Yes I should.
Also...for putting the needle bearing in i used a piece of 12" 2x2 and banged it softly.
Good pix thnx.

Nice to have it all done now isn't it...

Now I just need to get on that damn lift for my Kia! Damn Rusty Bolts!
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/05/09 12:43 PM

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lol..I remember seeing the same washer after finishing...and then thinking....should I?? lol Yes I should.
Also...for putting the needle bearing in i used a piece of 12" 2x2 and banged it softly.
Good pix thnx.

Nice to have it all done now isn't it...

Yes it is but once i did the drivers side went and check the pass. side and notice how loose that one was. Gonna go see if i can pick up the parts today. Do that one maybe tonight.
Now I just need to get on that damn lift for my Kia! Damn Rusty Bolts!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 09/06/09 01:37 AM

I imagine that you guys have done wheel bearings in the past.
Just wanted to add that after doing wheel bearings I like to push and pull on the top of the tire every couple days to check for any kind of play and tighten as needed.
This may be unneeded info, but I thought I would throw it out there.
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/06/09 02:41 PM

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I imagine that you guys have done wheel bearings in the past.
Just wanted to add that after doing wheel bearings I like to push and pull on the top of the tire every couple days to check for any kind of play and tighten as needed.
This may be unneeded info, but I thought I would throw it out there.

That is a good point.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/06/09 06:17 PM

my noise is gone, hopefully yours is to. im glad because next weekend im going wheeling sept.12 and dont want to break down from something so small.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/06/09 11:51 PM

Doing mine tomorrow, you guys stick around in case I need some advice. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/07/09 02:27 AM

You shouldnt have any problem if you have little mechanical exprerience.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/07/09 01:34 PM

Do I need to separate the hub and rotor from the knuckle?
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/07/09 07:16 PM

Any suggestions on getting the nut off the control arm?
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/07/09 09:33 PM

Any suggestions on how to get the remains of the bearing out?
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/07/09 09:38 PM

i used a flat csrew driver that i hit with a file to make it have a better edge to get between the wall and bearing race and go around it all the way then cut it in half poped right out.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/07/09 09:41 PM

I'll try that, been using a chisel and no luck, been at it for 5 hours now trying to get the thing fixed and the bearing wasn't in that bad of shape so it's probably something else.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/07/09 11:12 PM

oh well, that was a waste of a perfectly good afternoon
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 09/08/09 12:02 AM

your needle bearing was in good shape?
Remeber there is another one...lol
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/08/09 12:36 AM

There is no need to remove the tie rod. I didnt and for the race of the bearings one of the bearing has a bigger lip than the other knock that one out first with a hammer and a punch then have some one smooth sailing for the other one. The needle bearing i tapped it with a sharp chisel and it broke right out.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/08/09 01:02 AM

Thing is that I can lock in the right side and hear the noise. If I lock in just the left side I don't hear it. Sounds like I'm hitting a speed bump. Maybe the halfaxle is shot, I'll try that next, it's got a tear in the boot anyways.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 09/08/09 01:35 AM

that was the samething with mine and it was the needle bearing
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: front end noise - 09/08/09 03:24 AM

Checking Wheel Bearings.
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Jack up a front tire.
Grab the top of the tire with one hand and the bottom with the other hand.
Push and pull with both hands.
If you feel any kind of movement then you either need to tighten or replace your Wheel Bearings.

Checking Needle Bearing.
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Jack up a front tire.
Reach in behind the tire and grab the half shaft close to the tire and try to shake it about.
If it moves then chances are that the Needle Bearing is gone.
If there is a little movement and you look and find it is not the needle bearing, then I would have to venture a guess with the half shaft.


Also, while you have everything apart I would check the ball joints, upper and lower, tie rods, and see how easy they are to move by hand. If you can move them without a problem by hand then I would be getting new ones.
And when I say move easy I mean easy, like you push on it with one finger and it moves, that's easy.


Just want to say that this is from my own personal experience when I had my Front End Noise. Use it how you wish.

Hope this helps.
Posted By: budicexxx

Re: front end noise - 09/08/09 04:52 AM

Here also it was the needle bearing. And its prolly changable in 20 min or so. Did ya change this or just the inner and outer bearing.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 09/08/09 11:08 AM

I wish 20 minutes, if everything would have come off easy it would have pretty fast, but nothing did. I just changed the needle bearing, the bottom ball joint should probably be replaced, and I'll check the half shaft.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 10/19/09 03:59 PM

Replaced the halfshaft and the lower ball joint on the right hand side yesterday and it's still making the noise, although not quite as bad. Looks like I'm off to the Kia dealer to get the needle bearing for the other side and see if that cures it.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: front end noise - 10/20/09 03:27 AM

thats what mine was it is pretty easy to do..good luck
i also just replaced the halfshaft on the same side friday night and went wheeling on sat put her on her on her side against a tree, just leaning the top where the roof rack is no damage ecept a couple scratches, thank god for the tree and the winch that pulled me out.
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 01/19/10 12:44 AM

Finally got around to replacing the needle bearing on the left side. What was in there was a pile of dust. Works great now with no noise, so bring on the snow. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Sportege_Panicmech

Re: front end noise - 01/19/10 11:27 PM

Snow.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Idaho got screwed out of snow.
Posted By: Hydra747

Re: front end noise - 01/20/10 12:24 AM

How come this POST has Stars on the ratings???? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: 69442

Re: front end noise - 01/20/10 12:50 AM

1724 views and 57 reply's, not really sure <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: bombardj1

Re: front end noise - 01/20/10 01:33 AM

how does a sticky get stars anyways? no idea why a post would get one
Posted By: Hydra747

Re: front end noise - 01/20/10 01:36 AM

Me either?? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: homerdog

Re: front end noise - 01/20/10 05:16 PM

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Snow.. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Idaho got screwed out of snow.


It's starting to look the same here, we had 7" a couple weeks ago, that's almost gone and they're calling for rain this weekend. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Nukeiridium

Re: front end noise - 01/20/10 05:38 PM

Arizona of all places got about 3 feet of snow the other day!
(northern parts of Arizona)
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Posted By: bombardj1

Re: front end noise - 01/20/10 08:20 PM

snow snow go away come back some other year lol and you thought I should write day LOL <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />

do you know whats worst then a frozen Iguana falling out of a tree in Florida, it's cousin Komodo chasing you down the street. there would be front end and rear end noise from ya, LOL <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

how bout it mikey did you think y'ould scream like a girl <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Hydra747

Re: front end noise - 03/01/10 01:13 AM

Very nice post here!
Rather then start my own thread, I thought that this post would be helpful to others experiencing similar 4x4 issue.

I went to the beach today and locked the manual hubs. After driving a while in 4hi I hear this rubbing sound (like my tire is rubbing). I get out and check it out and discover absolutely nothing out of the ordinary (of course). The 4x4 works perfectly......Except for the rub noise coming from the front driver side. I check the tire for play and I think that there is ...Or maybe there isn't (not sure prolly just paranoid as usual).

Some History..(the hubs came from a 4x4 manual tranny and we could not find an inner hub grease seal) <so we made the new hub seal from the auto 4x4 fit by force>! THIS could or could not be related.....Just wanted to give all the information out on the table.

The rubbing sound is quite prevalent when hubs are in lock.....and when open (If I shift in 4hi just to check) <the sound is there again>! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


The 4x4 works though.....


I read this awesome thread like 10 times....I don't want to miss something.


Thanks,

Mikey <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

The 4x4 works though.....Any Ideas???????:
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