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ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock!

Posted By: hadtomer

ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/27/11 04:42 PM

Hello to all. a few months back i posted a message that surprisingly, trackfinder are back to work-and producing diff locks (automatic kind) for the sporty. no one even bothered to comment or post a reply.

well-as it turns out-they didnt bother to comment either. emails were not responded etc. so, frustrated, i went to an institute that specialises in trading with korea (hyundai is a top selling brand here-so is samsung ) and asked for help (im a journalist, its useful) and a few days later they got on the phone with a korean speaking translator (hey-this isnt the USA- we dont have many koreans over here). as it turns out after a long conversation which was translated from korean to english to hebrew (hey-im saving you the hebrew part)-Trackfinder went bankrupt and was purchased-and still has some unpurchased lockers. the price is equivalent to 600$ for a rear 28 spline locker and 700$ for front.

As usual-shipment is the real problem here-but there is a solution- an easy one- I have a friend who works for hyundai and travels to korea every 2 months. and this is the good part- he called me a short time ago -
he just bought 4 diff locks and will bring them here in 1 month. (why four? because that is all he can fit in his suitcase)

I realy dont want to jinks it- and i really hope that this is for real - i am eagerly waiting for my locker to arrive. i will keep you posted.
Posted By: jays2001

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/27/11 07:23 PM

i would be interested in the front. the question is ur saying dif lock now are we talking spool or limited slip
Posted By: DamKia

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/27/11 11:29 PM

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i would be interested in the front. the question is ur saying dif lock now are we talking spool or limited slip


Neither.

It is a Lockrite style locker

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Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/28/11 05:08 AM

DAMKIA is right-this is not a limited slip diff-its a locking rear diff-similar in action to a lockright or a noslip
Posted By: minydigger

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/28/11 06:39 AM

wow you guys really pay alot for a locker for these things. I just dont see paying that kinda money for a drop in style locker. In my opinion you would be money ahead to swap the entire axle to something stronger that already has a locker available for it.
Posted By: 4runnernomore

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/28/11 08:27 AM

That sounds great. So is there an option to keep these items in production by the new owner or has that part of the company folded?

Do you know if they have the elusive 5.38 ring and pinions still available as well as their winch mount bull bars etc.?

Cheers, Chris
Posted By: promodmerc

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/28/11 05:15 PM

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wow you guys really pay alot for a locker for these things. I just dont see paying that kinda money for a drop in style locker. In my opinion you would be money ahead to swap the entire axle to something stronger that already has a locker available for it.


It will cost a lot more than $600 to do that for the rear. You would have to regear what ever axle you find. Gears (If you can find the ratio)and setting them up will run way more than $600.
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/28/11 07:23 PM

here are the answers-as given to me by my guy in korea

1.yes-they have diff lockers and they are currently in production. however- they only produce for the facelifted sporty- 1999-2003. no lockers for 1994-1998 26 spline axle. rear 28 spline diff lock is 600$. front diff lock is 430$- but it requires a special fitting process (sorry guys- i dont know what that means- my mechanic, who is a kia dealer and has a garage and owns a sporty with front and rear diff lockers that he purchased from trackfinder 6 years ago says that you need to do a small gringing of the housing or it will mess with he steering, or something like that......). for 700$ they will send you a complete front axle with diff lock already fitted. prices do not include shipment, tax and what not.

2. they dont make the diff ratios. thats another company. same for extended front forks that i really really wanted.


3. as for all the guys that sent me a pm and asked for one- sorry guys, but im not in the parts selling buisness- and im not in this for the money- all the lockers were pre-promised to my friends. and btw-why buy a600$ diff lock from a guy in israel? shipment alone will be really expensive. it does not make sense. why not contact these people and try to place an order?

oh- as for replacing the diff...i tried. the only option is a re building the sporty with 2 live axles from whichever manufacturer that you might want (ah....my dream...my 11 month old daughter, and strict rules regarding modifications prevent me from doing that)- not possible. regarding the price- i didnt put the price tag on the part- i just discovered it. for you 600$ is expensive-but over here, due to high taxes my sprty is currently worth about 11000$ blue book value. (yes, life here sucks, i know, we also tend to complain a lot... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />).
Posted By: 2002_Sporty

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/02/11 12:38 PM

Website with pics of Sportage on front page.
Trackfinder
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Standard open differential always distributes torque equally to both wheels is. Talk in the weak side, but the wheels started to slip the other wheel spins the same low torque stops the vehicle as a result passed ten thousand and two.
To solve these problems, TF Locker automatically for 100% of engine torque delivered to both wheels with more grip on the receiving end of the vehicle wheels to enable continued progress.


Wish some one from here knew Korean to translate for us.
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/02/11 06:41 PM

ALL will be taken care of soon. im trying to establish some sort of contact with these guys but their english is worse than mine. as far as i can understand my contact, they have some religious holliday right now-and it will take a week before they come back.

I do believe that the only problem with exporting the diff locks to USA is the language barrier. after all- for them the US must be a very big market. lets face it-the sporty is not a vitara (sidekick) - i dont know how many are even left in korea...so they must be a very small factory.

If someone will be able to get to them and exlain the potential- they will probably lower the cost of the locker and the shipment. think of the demand....they are the only sportage auto locker manufacturer in the world!

as i said- for your benefit- im really trying to establish an english speaking contact
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/03/11 07:37 AM

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Wish some one from here knew Korean to translate for us. [/quote]


Google Translate A wonderful thing. Copy & Paste is your friend.

I actually just found this recently. The Language Detecting is cool.
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/03/11 04:06 PM

WOW! an internet translator-how come no one ever thought of such an innovative gizmo! what will they invent next? a social web? they should call it "facebook"....
come on man.....in case you havent noticed their email isnt even active. and when you call the number that they have listed you get some korean guy screaming "YES!!! DIIFERENTIAL LOCK SPORATGE!! YES!!GOOD LOCK TRACKFINDER!!! DIFF LOCK!!!"- that is about it.
you need to establish a shipment contact. my diff lock will be herer in 2-3 weeks- lets see if all goes according to plan. if it does- we will try to establish a contact on your side of the ocean.
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/20/11 04:22 PM

great news! just got a letter from customs asking me to release something described as "heavy duty auto parts" - from korea!!!!

im really busy at work- so i wont be able to do it the next few days- but if i waited for it almost a month- a few more days wont matter.

as soon as i will pick up the package- i will install the locker- and take pictures of the process.

in the meantime- here is a clip demonstrating the difference (not a very good one- but watch from 5:00 minutes wherer they show the sporty with and without difflock).


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3hsaa_tf-demo-320x240_sport
Posted By: freddiespyker

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/21/11 08:50 AM

why dont somebody just import a set of the diff- locks and manufacture it localy?
freddie <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/21/11 07:15 PM

first of all- the trackfinder site is easy to find- but they dont reply to emails- simply call the number.

second - got some bad news- like i said- my diff lock has arrived yesterday- and i was like a kid on chrismas morning (hope im right about the expression....u know, israel...we have different hollidays and the food aint that good), so i took a day off- got my package from customs (looks great!!! didnt come with instructions though. lucky i have a friend who kept his instructions from when he bought his in korea in 2002) and headed straight to my local kia mechanic, who took my diff apart....and told me that im f$#%ed. the reason is that over here the sporty was only sold with a limited slip diff - and the diff casing is different than a usual open diff- and therfore the diff lock can not be installed. the solution - as already carried out- will be to order one from korea (all the sportys at breaker yards are with LSD) - which will take 1 month. so i did it. p"s-trackfinder do offer to send the difflock with the casing- cause they dont count on the garage to allign the diff lock properly. its an extra 100$. should have done that.

anyways- i have the diff lock but im waiting for the parts to come from korea. what a shame....will keep u posted.
Posted By: 4runnernomore

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/26/11 09:25 AM

Hadtomer,

Have you been able to ask them about the 5.38 Ring and Pinions and the winch compatible bull bar they used to produce (see attached picture) or where we are able to source them from. As there is now a couple of difflock options available modifying th e Sporty is looking better and better.
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Cheers, Chris <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/27/11 06:52 AM

Hello. i havent had a chance to ask them - and besides- this picture was taken from tanker motors- another company (went bankrupt). i do believe that they make extended front forks and transfer ratios, but im not sure. if they do i will be the first to order-believe me... im also waiting for another package-from down under- with 70 mm DOBINSON front springs (rear are jeep tj).

currently im simply happy to have a diff lock- although not a functioning one (looks real nice in the box though)- as i wrote- my sporty has an lsd and the diff case is not compatible - trackfinder say that the case needs to be for a non ABS sporty- here in israel ABS is mandatory on all cars- so i cant find one at a breakers yard. trackfinder do sell the case but its gonna take forever to get here.
Posted By: fokion

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/27/11 09:23 AM

In theory, you could put the one already in your hands in the front diff which is an open dif...
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/27/11 03:25 PM

well - first of all the front diff - as far a i know- is 26 spline - and my 2001 sporty has a 28 spline rear. second- i could have ordered a front diff lock - trackfinder make them too. but i understand that it can have a dangerous effect on the handling when 4wd is engaged
Posted By: logansportage

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/30/11 03:56 AM

Locking the front axle like this can have an adverse effect on steering because each wheel wants to turn at the same speed, but using manual lock out hubs on the front will help with that. But then again, you should only be putting the Sportage in 4WD when traction is limited and you need it.

Good to hear things are still working with Trackfinder.

I'd love to get my hands on a front traction aid like a LSD or really a full locker. Then when I need the traction I can just lock the front hubs and put the transfer case in 4WD.

Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
I'd love to get my hands on a front locker. Then when I need the traction I can just lock the front hubs and put the transfer case in 4WD.
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 03/31/11 06:06 AM

great news- the case is made by trackfinder and is relatively cheap- 100$. it will be sent to me next week- which means that with a bit of luck i will be able to get it in 2 weeks after it will pass customs. of course i will post an install guide and a video.
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 04/05/11 06:09 PM

allright- the case has arrived- i will have it installed probably next week. also- my guy in korea made all the enquiries - trackfinder currently produce aftermarket parts for most korean SUVs. they specialise in diff locks. as far as KIA goes- they make rear diff locks for the sorento. also- they make front and rear diff locks for the sporty- [color:"purple"] [/color] and extended front forks [color:"purple"] [/color] - the price for the forks is 250$. they do not manufacture transfer or axle ratios
Posted By: Moshe_Buhboot

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 04/11/11 12:05 AM

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Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 04/11/11 02:04 PM

hello buhboot- my diff lock will be installed this thursday at KIA JAFFO. i will be there to take pics. also- didnt forget your spring enquiry regarding my LOVELLS springs. my DOBINSON lift will be here in a couple of months (hope hope...). patience is a virtue.
Posted By: BogdanS

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 10/29/11 08:31 AM

Hi hadtomer,

How did it go installing the differential? All's good?

Cheers,

Bogdan
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 11/01/11 11:38 AM

It was installed almost 6 months ago. its great.
Posted By: kia74

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/11/12 01:39 AM

Hi there old post i know but is not a diff lock ,its a traction device .We need locker police <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />



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i would be interested in the front. the question is ur saying dif lock now are we talking spool or limited slip


Neither.

It is a Lockrite style locker

[Linked Image]
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/11/12 08:05 AM

NO! a traction device is a limited slip diff - mine is a fully lockable rear diff. you are ignoring the fact that diff locks can be operated-and can be automatic ---


from wikipedia:

Automatic lockers
Automatic lockers lock and unlock automatically with no direct input from the driver. Some automatic locking differential designs ensure that engine power is always transmitted to both wheels, regardless of traction conditions, and will "unlock" only when one wheel is required to spin faster than the other during cornering. They will never allow either wheel to spin slower than the differential carrier or axle as a whole, but will permit a wheel to be over-driven faster than the carrier speed. The most common example of this type would be the famous "Detroit Locker," also known as the "Detroit No-Spin," which replaces the entire differential carrier assembly. Others, sometimes referred to as "lunchbox lockers," employ the stock differential carrier and replace only the internal spider gears and shafts with interlocking plates. Both types of automatic lockers will allow for a degree of differential wheel speed while turning corners in conditions of equal traction, but will otherwise lock both axle shafts together when traction conditions demand it.
Pros: Automatic action, no driver interaction necessary, no stopping for (dis-) engagement necessary
Cons: Increased tire wear and noticeable impact on driving behavior. During cornering, the automatic locker is characterized by heavy understeer which transitions instantly to power oversteer when traction is exceeded.
Some other automatic lockers operate as an open differential until wheelspin is encountered and then they lockup. This style generally uses an internal governor to sense a difference in wheel speeds. An example of this would be GM's "Gov-Lok."
Some other automatic lockers operate as an open differential until high torque is applied and then they lockup. This style generally uses internal gears systems with very high friction. An example of this would be ZF "sliding pins and cams" available for use in early VWs.


Here is how an automatic diff lock works -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0hPEOStGk
Posted By: Dryver

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/11/12 12:55 PM

Ah, but is it user selectable? If not, then it's just a traction device, right? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: hadtomer

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/11/12 04:06 PM

LOL!!!

Its not user selectable - its an automatic kind -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0hPEOStGk

Dude.....after 3 years of watching my friends -who own 1000$ suzuki vitaras with a simple rear diff lock do stuff that i could only dream about - i took the first diff lock i could find!!!!!!! dont care if its an automatic type - an air pressure type or a chicked poo operated type - as long as it works!!!!! and mine works.

BTW - automatic lockers are more reliable - pressure operated ones can fail on you when you least expect it.

here is a quote from wikipedia about my kind of locker -

Automatic lockers
Automatic lockers lock and unlock automatically with no direct input from the driver. Some automatic locking differential designs ensure that engine power is always transmitted to both wheels, regardless of traction conditions, and will "unlock" only when one wheel is required to spin faster than the other during cornering. They will never allow either wheel to spin slower than the differential carrier or axle as a whole, but will permit a wheel to be over-driven faster than the carrier speed. The most common example of this type would be the famous "Detroit Locker," also known as the "Detroit No-Spin," which replaces the entire differential carrier assembly. Others, sometimes referred to as "lunchbox lockers," employ the stock differential carrier and replace only the internal spider gears and shafts with interlocking plates. Both types of automatic lockers will allow for a degree of differential wheel speed while turning corners in conditions of equal traction, but will otherwise lock both axle shafts together when traction conditions demand it.
Pros: Automatic action, no driver interaction necessary, no stopping for (dis-) engagement necessary
Cons: Increased tire wear and noticeable impact on driving behavior. During cornering, the automatic locker is characterized by heavy understeer which transitions instantly to power oversteer when traction is exceeded.
Some other automatic lockers operate as an open differential until wheelspin is encountered and then they lockup. This style generally uses an internal governor to sense a difference in wheel speeds. An example of this would be GM's "Gov-Lok."
Some other automatic lockers operate as an open differential until high torque is applied and then they lockup. This style generally uses internal gears systems with very high friction. An example of this would be ZF "sliding pins and cams" available for use in early VWs. [color:"red"] [/color]
Posted By: jfrey123

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/22/12 07:58 PM

Do you think the company providing the parts for your locker might be able to convert parts over for a Kia Sorento? I've got the factory limited slip on the Kia 10 bolt axle, 34 spline axles vs your guy's 26 spline (I don't know the diameter...)

I've run into a lot of brick walls in trying to research my rear end. One of the best summaries comes from this website, which lists all the Eaton LSD's and provides a little technical data: http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_catalog/positraction/eaton_positraction_limited_slip.html

Could anyone point me in a direction to continue my research? I don't want to bother you guys with a billion questions.
Posted By: Peabody

Re: ladies and gentlemen- we have difflock! - 02/23/12 01:01 AM

If your browser will translate Korean to English, you might find the part you're looking for at Masterjeep.com (a company in South Korea). Lockers for the Sorento are listed on the bottom of the pull-down menu. I have emailed this company regarding the rear locker for the Sportage, but never heard a peep from them. So I'm in the process of purchasing the locker installed in a carrier (the only way they said they would sell the part... and I don't feel like fighting with them to get the locker alone) - the sale coming through a middle-man I found on eBay. If you don't mind paying about $894 (+/-) for the locker w/carrier & bearings (including shipping and a fee for the middle-man), then I can provide you with his contact info (the middle-man). However, I'm the first to buy a locker through this guy. So it would probably be advantageous to wait and see if I get rooked... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />
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