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Throttlebody cleaning

Posted By: flyboy367

Throttlebody cleaning - 01/15/06 07:25 AM

well today i finally got to change my sparkplugs. i did the coils wires and bosch platnum 1's. i used the writeup at the top of this page. went beautifully. while i had the intake assembly apart i figured what the hell ill clean the throttlebody. so here is what you do.

parts:
big can of carb cleaner.
socks
toothbrush, preferably one you dont plan on using again.
no parts stores by me carry kia parts and the only kia dealer has limited so i used permatex form a gasket gray. i use the stuff assembling superchargers so for the kia it shouldnt be a problem.

tools:
12mm wrench
6mm? allen head tool.

step one, pull intake assembly apart as per instructions for changing plugs.

your motor should then look like this:
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if you dont know what this is please do not go any further <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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gently remove the 3 wires to the throttle linkage. just open the blades and remove the wires, you need to mess with them a bit but its nothing more then moving the cylender out of the slot. i couldnt get a good shot of it but youll know it when you see it. then take off the tps sensor connection. now 2 12mm nuts and 1 hex bolt are in your path. the hex bolt i forgot to write down the size. i think its a 6mm. it feels like its gonna strip but hang on it will come out. now just underneath you will see 2 hoses with squeeze clamps on them. pull them suckers off. its the coolant passage. many of us racers usually block them off but in this case its such a small area the coolant moves thru i figured just leave it be. now a little pry and that tb should come right off.

then you will see this:
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if you look close on the left side there is the pcv. might as well change it now it will never be easier.

so here is a 100k mile throttlebody that has never been serviced.
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pretty nasty huh. go ahead and soak that sucker in some carb cleaner. and get a drink.

srape off the gasket. use the toothbrush or even a dental pick to get the gunk off the throttleblades and on the tb where they hit. and scrub scrub scrub. you will feel the difference as you open the blades while you clean.
now it should look like this:
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dont forget to clean up the intake and get down in there to get out the gunk. dont spray into it though otherwise youll get a surprise on startup from pooled cleaner in the piston chamber. i just spray on the sock and toothbrush and scrub away.
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now you can go ahead and spread a thin layer of the gray stuff and reinstall it all. or look below.
part 2 not for the faint of hart.

i looked at the intake tube to the throttlebody and noticed how much material blocked the throttle openings. so i decided to fix it. i wish i took a before pick of the intake tube but i didnt so just imagine it ok. after some heavy porting on the bottom and light on the top i matched it perfectly to the tb.
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then i got to looking at the tb. i decided to edge the throttleblades. i used a cone stone and slowly touched it to the blade at a 45* angle. top front and back bottom. this allows air to enter sooner as the tb opens. then i took some metal off the throttleblade bar. you really dont need to since its not a race engine but i was board so what the hell.

next i took my stone onto the middle divider and didnt stop till i had a perfect airfoil. if you dont know what i mean, look up tpi airfoil on ebay. it helps feed air into the blades. then i took 1.5mm off the front opening then down to .5mm at the blades and the same on the back. this creats a venturi that forces air in faster. i thought it was bs too until a guy showed me on my saturn. so now looky:
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isnt she a beauty. i also opened up that hole on the bottom for no apparent reason. so i bolt the sucker together and instant difference. much faster throttle responce and better feel thru the rpm range. then i decided to try something dumb. i removed the "black box" from the intake tube. i plugged it with an oil fill cap leftover from a pontiac gtp. fit perfectly into the hole. now even better responce, no buildup changin gears just smooth shifting up to redline and much more noticeable tire spin on the butt dyno. so thats my story. any questions?
Posted By: Axe Man

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/16/06 02:03 AM

Very Nice!

A few observations: If you do soak the throttle body in carb cleaner I would NOT let the TPS get saturated. The carb cleaner could damage it. Also with regards to the TPS: it would be best to cut off the electrical connector and solder the wires directly to the TPS. That connector is notorious for developing contact resistance.

Unless you plan on porting the throttle body like you did I wonder how necessary it really is to remove it completely to give it a good cleaning. I just open the plates and clean them with carb cleaner at every plug change. Seems to work fine.

None the less...very nice pictorial. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Do you want me to sticky it as a maintenance item?
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/16/06 02:09 AM

well when i worked in the dealership most of the guys that did the shortcut tb cleaning usually had thier cars coming back for o2 sensors. basically you fill up the intake with a flamable chemical then ignite it when you start the car. i always do the pulloff and never had a problem. you can sticky it if you want. it can be my one claim to fame <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: fokion

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/16/06 04:17 PM

the differenses in sizes you saw between the parts and you grind them off, were there big?
I mean would you took all that appart just for that purpose?
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/16/06 06:40 PM

fokion, what your sayin is kinda greek to me <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
i wanted to pull off the throttlebody just to clean it. i usually save p/p for performance cars, but i got board and went ahead on the kia. i didnt really mess any of my stones up so its a double plus. i figured since i had it all apart i wanted to see how it was. i always like seeing how stuff works. if you hold the tb an dthe intake tube together like they should be, then open the blades and look in you can see where all the extra metal is. it was a pretty big difference. in some spots almost 1/4" which pans out pretty bad. after the porting and smoothing, then going to town on the throttlebody and then ditching the stupid plastic bucket on the intake tube my truck will handle up to 40mph barly touching the throttle and i can floor it from 50 and just take off up to redline with no hesitation. for as easy as it is to take it apart id say go for it. at the least clean your throttlebody. you will see a difference there.
Posted By: logansportage

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/17/06 12:29 AM

Great write-up!!!

Next time I've got mine apart doing plugs, I'm going to do this!

What kind of stones did you use? Did you just use a Dremel or something special?

Thanks
Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: fokion

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/17/06 09:02 AM

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fokion, what your sayin is kinda greek to me <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
i wanted to pull off the throttlebody just to clean it. i usually save p/p for performance cars, but i got board and went ahead on the kia. i didnt really mess any of my stones up so its a double plus. i figured since i had it all apart i wanted to see how it was. i always like seeing how stuff works. if you hold the tb an dthe intake tube together like they should be, then open the blades and look in you can see where all the extra metal is. it was a pretty big difference. in some spots almost 1/4" which pans out pretty bad. after the porting and smoothing, then going to town on the throttlebody and then ditching the stupid plastic bucket on the intake tube my truck will handle up to 40mph barly touching the throttle and i can floor it from 50 and just take off up to redline with no hesitation. for as easy as it is to take it apart id say go for it. at the least clean your throttlebody. you will see a difference there.


so you DO understand Greek <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />
You answered exactly what I was asking!!!!!!!
So It DOES worth grind the system.

AFAIK the same missmatch happens to the exaust header
Posted By: fokion

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/17/06 02:30 PM

I would vote for "sticking" it
if you ask me <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/17/06 02:38 PM

Logan, i use the stone you get in a set at home depot. mostly the large cone, and a flat circular wheel. the cone is great to get your angle for tapering and putting an edge, the wheel is for taking off alot at a time. you really should use a dremel but im lazy and dont feel like paiting forever so i used my high rpm die grinder <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
just be careful of flying aluminum.
Posted By: logansportage

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 01/19/06 10:05 PM

Cool.

Yes, Flyluminum can be a pain in the eye <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> and ARSS <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />. Been there and done that. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Delarey

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 03/07/07 01:18 PM

I have today joined the forum, because I just have to tell you that I have just today cleaned and polished my Sporty's tb and man what a difference <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> I am sure my car will be more economical as well <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Thanks for the posting. Your'e a star <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/notooth.gif" alt="" /> By the way I live in Pretoria South Africa, and yes we do have cars here!!
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 03/07/07 10:33 PM

wow, i have been called many things but i dont think ever a star <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

glad your up and running.
Posted By: nuklbuster

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 07/06/07 11:01 PM

I was having the same hesitation and bogg problems, I followed these instructions and changed the plugs....all clear!!! No problems whatsoever. Thanks for the tutorial, this site is awesome! I consider myself a rookie DIY mechanic, and these instructions were perfect. Thanks again. celebrating now with a cold one <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 07/07/07 04:46 AM

glad it helped. look up other threads by me for some more diy performance. or just email me. im out of a kia and back into a "street car" but i still love the damn things.
Posted By: DSHornet

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 11/26/07 06:49 PM

I did it, too, and the car runs MUCH better. I'm just not sure how much performance improvement was due to the TB cleaning/mod and how much to the spark plug replacement. But this was a good excuse to buy a Dremel kit. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

The plugs were well worn after about 50K miles, so they needed replacement. The gaps were anywhere from .05 inch to about .06 inch - pretty wide. I looked in the air tube and the TB and ground off any metal that interfered with a smooth transition between the parts (it wasn't much but we want to remove any unwanted turbulence, don't we?). I also smoothed the tube where it flares and goes into the TB.

Let's face it, our engines aren't gonna have a lot of push at lower speeds. But any improvement will help.
Posted By: Lou

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 11/27/07 02:11 PM

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..I'm just not sure how much performance improvement was due to the TB cleaning/mod and how much to the spark plug replacement..

Yeah...and is it possible some of the improvement might be subjective too...but anyhow, I like that and since there is no harm doing it, and I already have the dremmel <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/pfft.gif" alt="" />, I promise I'll do it too on my next pass in that area... even if it turns out just for the elegance of the air flow, and take the "before" photo that is missing above.
Posted By: Paul

Black Box? - 08/06/08 06:09 PM

What is the Black Box you removed from the intake tube?

Thanks

Paul

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Very Nice!

A few observations: If you do soak the throttle body in carb cleaner I would NOT let the TPS get saturated. The carb cleaner could damage it. Also with regards to the TPS: it would be best to cut off the electrical connector and solder the wires directly to the TPS. That connector is notorious for developing contact resistance.

Unless you plan on porting the throttle body like you did I wonder how necessary it really is to remove it completely to give it a good cleaning. I just open the plates and clean them with carb cleaner at every plug change. Seems to work fine.

None the less...very nice pictorial. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Do you want me to sticky it as a maintenance item?
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Black Box? - 08/08/08 11:27 PM

wow its been a while, if you look at the intake manifold it has a tube off the trhottlebody that goes across the motor. in the middle at the rear of the engine is a black box attached to the tube. its an air silencer. it makes the intake quiet. basically it means it interupts the air flow to the throttlebody. take this out and plug the hole and now you have more air to the tb. more air = better performance. the engine is an air pump so when you do a cold ait kit or ram air and the stuff in this writeup its a good idea to upgrade to a 2.25" exhaust.
Posted By: Hydra747

Re: Black Box? - 08/09/08 07:22 AM

Wow!

Been a long time Don!

How the Hell is turtle?

As far as that black box---just seal it with some plumbing cover with a clamp---and it should be good to go! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Black Box? - 08/09/08 01:17 PM

no idea, havent heard from him since the alledged rollover. just been working mu butt off. spent a few weeks working on new yankee stadium now im doing a highrise in the upper west side of manhatten. sold the camaro and now have a 95 maxima se with a truckload of performance parts ive been adding.
Posted By: logansportage

Re: Black Box? - 08/13/08 10:59 PM

Congrats on selling the camero and welcome back for a bit.

Logansportage <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Deathowl

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 06/30/09 05:42 PM

i have an m reg kia sport done 118k miles it runs like a dog 0 to about 45 then it is ok do you think this would help

Si
Posted By: flyboy367

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 07/01/09 12:09 AM

wouldnt hurt thats for sure. try the fuel filter as well.
Posted By: 2002_Sporty

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 05/03/11 12:55 PM

Completed my first throttle body cleaning this weekend.
65,000 mile marker. Followed directions above and the proceedure went smooth. Thank the posters.
Quicker response now and has a definate smoother feel to the throttle.
Posted By: promodmerc

Re: Throttlebody cleaning - 09/26/15 06:41 PM

Just did this today to my 196K mile 2002. On mine the gasket was stuck to the intake instead of he throttle body. I stuck a rag into the intake manifold to keep bits of gasket from finding their way in. Don't need that sucked into the cylinders. grin

I haven driven it yet but just revving the throttle it felt smoother.
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