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1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO

Posted By: 69442

1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/26/10 08:56 PM

I have a neighbor looking to sell a very clean bone stock Runner w/165k for $3500. Looking for pro's and con's please??

Main usage will be tech wheel'n and not so much mudd'n so I need to know if it's practical or should I get something else??

Also, any info regarding drivetrain issues I should be aware of would be nice.

Thanks in advance <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/27/10 05:09 AM

Sure! Any Toyota truck is good for 4wheeling!

The V6 and 5 speed is a great combo.

The 3.0 V6 in that truck gets a bad reputation though. Headgasket failure is common, as well as burnt valves. Its hit and miss. Some have constant problems, some never do. I had an 88 that never had any of these problems, ran great.

Id do a GOOD test drive and see if it runs well. No misfire, no smoke, clean oil (not like a milkshake) clean coolant. And just see if you like the truck.

If it runs well and looks good, buy it.

Theres plenty of offroad goodies available for it.
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/27/10 05:22 AM

Would you recommend I look for a 4cyl instead?

I noticed in a much earlier thread you guys discussed in great detail about diff year frames and susp strengths.
I was kinda overwhelmed with the huge amount of info provided so any worries for me here??

If I get it I plan on doin some susp mods but want to make sure I have a solid base first.
Posted By: kewlynx

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 02:55 AM

The 22RE in a Runner is a bit of a dog, as it's a lot heavier than the truck. Otherwise, X2 what Adam said. We also have the FSM for that year stickied in the early Toys section. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

You also have a fair amount of Yota yards down there, and EB just down the road. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cyclops.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 03:35 AM

Ok, so it sound like you're giving it a general thumbs up, what would be the first suggested upgrade before anything else?

Possibly engine or susp or gearing or ?
Posted By: kewlynx

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 04:54 AM

Probably gearing if it were me for the bucks. Gear codes are in the Toyota FAQ above for your perusal; check the data plate.

There are now a few folks here who've done the 3.0 to 3.4 swap; that article is compiled in the 'Wire's portal section. That one starts with a 2" body lift and a good donor.

IF a guy couldn't do that right away, the header would be next, as the #4/6 exhaust valves get toasted with the stock crossover; sawzall is your friend on that one. This is where I'd try and get a leakdown before you bought it, or at least to have a point of reference once you do buy it.

That generation of pre-Taco runners are nice lookin' rigs too. Make sure all the controls for the rear window work as well.
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 04:16 PM

For technical wheeling you say? Rockcrawling right?

Id say, a rear locker, bigger tires, lower gears, suspension lift.

Start off with a rear locker. It will get you further than any one of the others alone.
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 04:46 PM

Yes, tech wheeling and moderate rock crawling. All my buddies wheel modified jeeps so i'll be try'n to keep up with them!

Since i'm not familiar with the Yota just yet, what's involved in installing a rear locker and what gearing would you suggest?

I figured a susp lift and tires would be the easy part.
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 06:12 PM

33-35" tires on a IFS is a good setup. 4.88 for 33's and 5.29's for 35's.

Setting up gears is a difficult job and requires specialized tools. Read up here http://www.gearinstalls.com/

But, the good thing about Toyotas, is you can swap 3rd members with an already setup gear in no time and its very easy. Another good thing, you can find FACTORY 4.88 gears in 92-95 4Runners with a V6 and auto. Then you can just swap over the front diff and rear 3rd member and be good to go. Otherwise you can remove your diff, and send it to someone to have it regeared, or buy an already regeared and locked diff and install it in place of whats in there.

Is this your daily driver? Weekend warrior? Trail rider? That should tell us what kind of locker to reccomend. Daily driver I would recommend a manual locker like the factory toyota electric or an ARB air locker. Trail rig you could just weld up the gears or install a spool. A good comprimise between the two is an aussie locker.
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 07:25 PM

100% Toy. Not sure how soon I'll have a trailer to cart it to wheel'n spots? Probably won't get too aggressive with gearing till I have one.

This is a completly stock 93 V6 5spd, what do you think it has for gearing and how do I confirm?
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/28/10 08:49 PM

Theres a gear code on the firewall. Read up http://www.brian894x4.com/Gearratiosanddiffs.html

You probably have 4.10.

Trailer it? This aint no Jeep! Drive it! Theres absolutly no reason why you need to trailer it, other than titling and registration issues. You would have to cut it up and turn it into a buggy before it gets un-road worthy.
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 12:04 AM

I didn't mean to imply the Runner to be a trailer queen, I just like to trailer toys that are being played with hard so that i'm sure of a ride home if they break!

I'm a weekend warrior motocross'r so I'm no stranger to breaking things! The Runner may be stronger than I give it credit for but better safe than sorry.

Thanks for all the good info. If I wind up getting it I'll be checking back with you guys from time to time.

Thanks again and happy wheel'n to ya <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 12:35 AM

I guess I have one more question.

The Runner exposed itself without me really looking in that direction for a wheel'r and I hadn't considered if a truck with a bed would be a better option. I assume the runner is bit heavier but by how much I have no clue. Would this even be an issue anyway?

Anybodies thoughts on this??
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 03:28 AM

Yea a little heavier. But I like it that way. With a pickup, the rear end can end up being too light and tend to lift the rear end up and cause you to loose traction.
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 03:39 AM

So that addl weight in the rear is good then? I'll just stick with the plan and try to work my neighbor a bit more before I commit!

Thanks again <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: kewlynx

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 03:43 AM

Yeah, the pickups have more of a tendency to bounce. It's just that some guys don't like how a 22Rx performs in a Runner vs a truck. Different strokes.

You might also check out this IFS build:
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showf...;amp;page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

BlossomsCA also has that gen Runner with a build under it too; she's here, more in the Cali crew section.
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 04:03 AM

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I found info here but didn't find a build? Would love to see a build with some light mods from stock so I have a visual.

You guys are slowly convert'n me!

Thanks again for all the info <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 04:12 AM

Here are some reviews

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/4Runner/tech/suspension/
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/29/10 04:16 AM

Perfect <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Others who haven't responded don't hesitate to chime in with advise, all is welcome to this runner newbie.
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/30/10 05:36 AM

Have a look around in our Early Toyota Trucks forum, as that is the one that better suited for your truck. There are a lot more people with similar rigs over there.
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/30/10 03:59 PM

Oh, did I post in the wrong spot? I'll fish around for more info in that area.

By the way I checked out your V8 conversion. It looks pretty cool, how does it run aft the bugs work'd out?

Thanks again for all the info, I appreciate it.

Rick
Posted By: Adam F

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 01/31/10 05:38 AM

Yea, the other forum will suit your needs better.

The truck runs like a scalded dog! It's LOTS of fun.
Posted By: BlossomCA

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 02/01/10 06:43 AM

Is a 1993 4Runner V6 5spd good for wheel'n? I say yes.

But I bought my 92 V6 5spd before I even knew much about my options, I just knew I wanted a Toyota. Now I have diddly squat for technical background, but here are my thoughts.

If I purchased another vehicle it would be an automatic, not a 5spd. 95% plus of the others I wheel with have automatics and it seems like a lot less work, particularly in uphill rock crawling situations. It sounds like there are now a lot more options for reduction transfercases for automatics than there used to be, which is good news. If you do select 5spd and want to upgrade to some sort of 4:1 transfercase I say go straight for the dual setup. With mine I feel like there aren't enough options. You probably already know exactly what you like since you've got 350+ posts on the Wire.

Back to the truck itself, I feel like my truck is very heavy and the engine is weak. High speed uphills on the way to the trail heads pretty much leave me in the dust of everyone else I wheel with, so I have many frustrations here. I always thought the 4cyl was superior over the v6 in this area and wished that was what I'd purchased.

Also, in regards to all the upgrades and optional goodies, it seems to me that there's quite a bit more available for the 1st generation 4Runners than for the 2nd gens. Not that the 2nd gens don't have options, but the 1st gens have even more.

About the truck versus 4Runner, I'm sticking with the 4Runner because of how I use the truck. I camp in it for multiple days at a time and I drive it to and from the trails. But I've always liked the idea of a truck with a bobbed bed if I was ever to trailer my rig. I thought the reduced weight would be a benefit, never heard of the bouncing.

Now all that said, I've taken my truck on numerous trails up and down California and it's done really well. Rubicon was no issue and I did that before the 4:1 transfercase upgrade (though it was also how I learned about the upgrade). BTW, if you look at any of my photos from the Trailrides section please ignore the all the dents as they are the fault of the driver and not the truck LOL.

One suggestion, rock rails are your friends. Make sure they're up towards the top of your list. And 35" tires instead of 33's. And a rear locker for sure.

Hope I'm not a downer here. Now remember, this thread comes with hardly any technical background. And I haven't really been researching the latest and greatest options and upgrades and issues, I just happened to come across this post.

Best of luck on your purchase! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

P.S. I spend hardly any time in the Toyota forum here, I should work on that...
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 02/02/10 03:01 PM

Thanks BlossomCA, ya my 4WD tech background is limited as well as i'm more of a motocross guy just getting into the wheel'n thing.
Time to take on a hobby that's a bit easier on the body!!

I've had a few 4wd rigs but have only used them on fairly groomed trails and getting around in the snow.

All my buddies have mod'd jeeps but i'm not much of a follower so why do the same ... right!

Ya, i've seen a few trucks with the bobbed or dovetail boxes which are effective in tight spots but I think I like the runner idea for haul'n more people and keep'n gear dry. Besides, you can't put a canopy on a dovetailed box anyway.

Rockrails are for sure tops on my list. I'm kinda particular about keep'n my rig as strait as possible and they help move you along as well.

Have not made the purchase yet as there is no hurry to do so. Thanks again for all the input, i'll be following you guys in the forum to educate myself a bit more before i commit.

Cheers,

Rick
Posted By: matts

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 02/12/10 04:24 AM

engine specs
22re 2.4 4cyl 116 hp 140 tq
3VZE 3.0 6cyl 150 hp 180 tq

Here's a thread on the subject from yotatech
http://yotatech.com/f116/what-look-older-3vze-s-168171/

A big advantage to the 22RE is the reliability, ease of repair, low cost parts and capability of 140 - 145 hp with reasonable mods. -- Matt
Posted By: matts

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 02/12/10 04:56 AM

engine specs
22re 2.4 4cyl 116 hp 140 tq
3VZE 3.0 6cyl 150 hp 180 tq

Here's a thread on the subject from yotatech
http://yotatech.com/f116/what-look-older-3vze-s-168171/

Some advantages to the 22RE are reliability, ease of repair, low cost parts and capability of 140 - 145 hp with reasonable mods. -- Matt

The Independent Gearhead's Motto
The worst day working in your own shop is better than any day day working for someone else!
Posted By: 69442

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 02/24/10 04:56 PM

Thanks, good info to consider.
Posted By: CORunner93

Re: 1993 4RUNNER V6 5SPD - IS IT GOOD FOR WHEEL'N YES - NO - 03/07/10 08:14 AM

93 Runner for wheeling?....I've got one and done some ridiculous things with it. I'm actually pretty amazed at what the thing will do. For example.....600 mile drives to MOAB...wheel it over stuff "cars" should never be able to drive on....and then drive the 600 miles back home; and then to work the next morning (so i can show off my mud stains).

I do have the benefit of having friends who shamelessly goat me into this awful situations...but they also have buggy's and winches and trailers and can get me out of ANYTHING, but I've never actually needed their "mechanical" help.

So...yeah....it's a "good" truck for wheeling.
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