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Windshield Emergency

Posted By: Bulletproof

Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 01:47 AM

All you guys are just a stone's throw away from needing a new windshield.

And Apple Auto Glass brought in a windshield for a 1992 Montero - and it doesn't fit my '91 Pajero LWB.

Anyone have part numbers out there for it? Anyone want to put together an overseas bulk purchase? Anyone have a resource for one in North America?

I need one now - you will need one soon... talk to me!
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 03:43 AM

IT WHAT? How exactly was it different? Are you sure they didn't bring in the wrong one? Lemme do some diggin on caps and get back to you... Any chance they brought in the 91 (genI) windshield by mistake?
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 03:49 AM

Okay, CAPS Japan shows MB677401 as the pn for the V24WG, I'll assume the V44 is the same... but lemme check that too, hold on.
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 03:56 AM

Okay, some further info: the V24 only has a grey tint option, the V44 has a bronze tint otion as well, MB677400, and has a further note that these pn's fit all models from Oct90, to June93. And they had V6's as well, so I just can't see mitsu retooling glass for a different market. But lemme check CAPs North American to be sure...
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 03:57 AM

Okay, part name code is the same, 61710, but the number is superseded to an MR number, MR749156. I can't see from my program what number it superseded, but its applicable to all models of V43W to V45W, which are the genII 3.0L V6s and 3.5L v6's. Lemme go back and check this number on CAPjaps...
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 04:07 AM

Okay, further info... Japan pn is cross ref'ed to V43W as well, which is consistent with Caps NA. CAPS Japan doesn't recognize the MR number.

But in a nutshell, if a V43W gasser uses a windshield in Japan which is used by our diesel V44w/V24W's, then the V43W's windshield in North America should be the same glass. All the other body panel numbers match that I've checked, between the NA and ***** versions... So my money is on the glass company bringing in the wrong one. According to CAPs, it should be compatible up to 93, which means 94 in North America. If you can Ron, have a look at what they brought in. If its flatter-looking than yours, then my guess is they have a genI windshield there.

Keep us updated, yo!

Hope something here helped,
Phil
Posted By: torquemonster

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 04:45 AM

wow Phil...you seemed pretty concerned hahaha. yah that just doesn't make sense that it doesn't fit. common sense tells you it would fit...its the exact same body style so theoretically there is no way it shouldn't fit.
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 04:47 AM

Well, my windshield is already done, so yeah, little concerned. And Ronnie's a good guy and I hate to see him spending more money if he doesn't have to... let's hope he doesn't have to...
P
Posted By: torquemonster

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 05:15 AM

well of course. we don't want to see one of our pajero brotherin get in a bind. Ron you should try Standard Auto Glass up beside Carline Muffler. I just got a windshield put in my 89 colt and they had no troubles getting it. I was worried because in 1989 there was 2 different style dodge colts. and they use PPG glass which is the only glass I'll ever buy.
Posted By: rxinhed

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 05:40 AM

Okay, so Phil, where can one gain access to this CAPS program? "CAPS" is short for Canadian Auto Parts Search, eh? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: redbull

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 06:23 AM

Timely! I got my first stone chip last week. I was cursing all the giant non-mudflapped F350s, thinking any minute now I'll get a stone. Then Bang! It was a Pontiac Grand Prix with a flat tire that kicked up a pebble.
Posted By: Bulletproof

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 06:30 AM

Never let it be said that Phil doesn't step up to a challenge! You certainly have me wondering now if they didn't bring in the wrong one. I will head down there topmorrow with your new numbers and let you all know how it works out. Thanks again Phil! I owe you a beer (I think we must be getting close to a case by now!) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Bulletproof

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 06:40 AM

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Okay, part name code is the same, 61710


Hold it.. I'm confused... you say part number (61710) is the same... as what? That number doesn't occur in any of your earlier posts... so I have:

JDM Grey Tint option: MB677401
JDM Bronze Tint Option: MB677400
US CAPS Number: MR749156 61710

Is that correct?

Thanks Phil!
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 02:37 PM

Nope, PNC is part number code, which is how they label their diagrams. That's the 61710. The actual part number is the MR or MB number. So you have everything right, 'cept that the US pn shoudln't have the 61710 on the end. 61710 is what both US and Japan use to ID the pic, which then breaks down to the part number. Sorry if I confused the issue. Good luck today!

P
Posted By: Bulletproof

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/30/07 08:56 PM

OK - Apple Auto Glass says the number they had for the '92 Montero was correct. They double checked with Edmonton. The NAGS# they come up with for the '92 Montero is FW711. That is the windshield they brought in. I checked with another company - they said the Montero windshield will not fit - that they went through all this 3 months ago and it was a "nightmare". The guy eventually ordered one from Japan and they installed it for him - total cost: $4000.00
The FW711 that Apple brought in is actually MORE curved than the glass we have in the Pajero.
William (JDM) is getting me a price from Japan. I should hear from him tomorrow. I told him we might be getting several. Anyone got a better solution???
Posted By: PajEvo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/31/07 12:54 AM

Sonova... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/angry.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: jfarsang

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/31/07 03:02 AM

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Anyone got a better solution???


Wrecking yard for NA Montero's ?

I ran Phil's #'s (friend owns a mech shop) and they all match. I check the quarter/body/panels and they all match (JDM vs. NA)

This is definitely something that will need to be addressed, sooner than later.

I looked at a 92 Montero parked beside a 91 Pajero and the windshields to my untrained eye look identical.

My suggestion (disregard it if you've already done it) is to bring in a 91/93 or have them run the windshield part # from 90-95 US Montero's and see if they come up with more than one. I'm probably wrong, but it's possible that the windshield trim/rubber may differ from one Montery/year to the next which may explain a few different windshields.

One of the multitude of importers has to know the domestic replacement #. Just have to find a way to call/track a company/seller/individual who has already done it.

Good luck. I'm sure we'll all be in the same boat soon enough ..

Jesse

ps. Another thought.. have you had them check the other windows as well ? I've seen two different 92 Pajero's with different side windows. One has AS1/AS2 DOT and the other didn't have DOT but had AS2/AS3 and both were different part #'s.
Posted By: Bulletproof

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/31/07 03:18 AM

I think what someone (who needs a windshield) needs to do is verify these numbers in Calgary - phone around, get the NAGS number independently - order in the windshield and see if it fits. I've run out of people to phone in Red Deer, and can't get in to Calgary just to have a windshield replaced. I still wonder if maybe Apple brought in the wrong ws or was sent the wrong one from the supplier. Anyone got a cracked windshield and is up for the adventure?
Posted By: jfarsang

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/31/07 04:18 AM

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I think what someone (who needs a windshield) needs to do is verify these numbers in Calgary - phone around, get the NAGS number independently - order in the windshield and see if it fits. I've run out of people to phone in Red Deer, and can't get in to Calgary just to have a windshield replaced. I still wonder if maybe Apple brought in the wrong ws or was sent the wrong one from the supplier. Anyone got a cracked windshield and is up for the adventure?


I'll call the local (Vancouver/Vancouver Island) importers/dealers and ask about the windshield. Maybe one of them will be nice enough to shed some light.

I don't have a Pajero yet, but soon enough I will and I'd rather get involved now if I can be of any help at all.

Mechanical parts, I understand need to be shipped in, but body panel/glass/etc... 'should' match up with at least a few american Montero models.

Crossing fingers.

Jesse
Posted By: Bulletproof

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/31/07 04:27 AM

That might help - if you could get the NAGS number from them it would be a start!
Posted By: LandRaider

Re: Windshield Emergency - 05/31/07 07:28 PM

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The guy eventually ordered one from Japan and they installed it for him - total cost: $4000.00


Thats got to be some bullcrap. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />

Maybe you have to order the rubber ring that fits North America Spec Vehicles? There's no way they woudl build them differently.
Posted By: Neo

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/01/07 06:37 AM

This is all very interesting and I certainly hope that there is a happy ending. I had cancelled a bid on a mint Delica last year when I realized that finding a windshield would be trouble - I assumed that the Pajero would take a Montero glass.
Posted By: Bulletproof

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/01/07 10:56 PM

OK, a little more digging (and some phone calls into the States) confirms that the 1992 Mits Montero uses a SAGS#FW711. That is the windshield that Apple brought in for me and the one that didn't fit. William says he will get me a price in a few days - the guys in Japan are working on it. There is ony one other chance - that Apple's supplier had the wrong windshield labelled as a FW711.
Posted By: jfarsang

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/02/07 02:06 AM

I couldn't get a chance to call to the local dealers.

Away from the wknd and I'll get on it monday am.

Jesse
Posted By: Bulletproof

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/04/07 05:48 PM

OK, William got me some prices:

New OEM windshield from Mitsubishi - $900.00 CAD + GST
New aftermarket ( green tone ) - $390.00 CAD + GST
New Aftermarket ( bronze tone ) - $450.00 CAD + GST
All prices are including shipping to JDM Cionnections in Stony Plain, Alberta.

I will place my order on Wednesday. If anyone else wants to order, email me with your details and I will pass them along to William. Delivery time is 6 to 8 weeks. Email me at stonwerk(at)shaw(dot)ca

Unless someone finds a solution in the meantime!
Posted By: jfarsang

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/04/07 10:10 PM

Japan Abbotsford Auto quote me approx. $500 on the phone. Not certain if it's OEM or aftermarket. Order now, receive it mid-July.

Do you know the difference between the OEM one and aftermarket one's with tint ? DOT/ASx ?

Thanks.

Good topic.
Jesse
Posted By: redbull

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/04/07 11:17 PM

Wow, good to know, but I think I'll spend $20 on a rock chip repair for my single ding! I hope my luck holds.
Posted By: off-roader

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/06/07 12:11 AM

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...and they use PPG glass which is the only glass I'll ever buy.


From my own personal experience, ppg does not make the correct curve on Gen I Montero driver side window glass. The cut was the same, but the cure was completely different from the OE glass. Also the dealership purchased OE glass was cheaper than the ppg glass. This was all done with SafeLite Autoglass a large US firm.

Which makes me wonder if ppg has similar problems with their Gen II windsheild glass as well. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: torquemonster

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/06/07 01:17 AM

I have never heard of a problem with PPG glass...I'm not saying it will never happen though.
Posted By: torquemonster

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/13/07 07:17 AM

I just stumbled accross a handy little piece of information....I'm sorry I lost the link already <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> but I read that Euro and Japanese vehicle windshields are designed to "pop out" during a collision, this could be a big part of why the 2 are different.

It still doesn't make sense to me, because the Montero is the same truck that is built in japan, you'd think they would just throw the same windshields in them all. I have seen crazier stuff happen though.
Posted By: LandRaider

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/13/07 09:27 AM

I bet the differences are in the Gaskets. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: jfarsang

Re: Windshield Emergency - 06/13/07 02:38 PM

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I bet the differences are in the Gaskets. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


My gut tells me the same thing.

I think the cheapest thing to do would be to go to a wrecker and get a montero gasket/windshield and take it to a glass shop to compare.

Who's going to do it ? Should have been any one of the dealers but my guess is they have not.

Hopefully I'll have my Pajero in a few months.

If nothing comes out of this by then, I will definitely be doing this as I'll be scouting a whole 93 Montero LWB with a cracked block for stupid cheap this weekend to use as a parts truck.

Jesse
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