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JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action!

Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/29/13 03:06 PM

Hey guys, can I get a little help on Sunday, Nov. 3rd? Toasty and Pa_Jero are going to take a swing at the Time Sert insert project, as Toasty took my first drill bit and reduced its shank down to where it will fit in a 3/8" drill and re-sharpened it. There are clearance issues in there and only a right angle drill can reach in straight to get the job done. The drill bit as it comes from T.S. is too big for a 3/8" drill, and I'm not in the market for a $200 R.A. drill for a one-time use.

Other potential projects include some clean-up and piecing together of the Type R/TurboRaider that has been languishing at the "nearing completion" stage. I have many, if not most of the necessary parts for that one.

The '86 has a few things that could be done, like the torque converter bolts, some minor wiring relocation and accessory installation (power steering pump would be nice to be able to mount).

I'm about as broke as a joke the day after April Fool's Day, so I can't say I'll be able to throw a party, but I'll do what I can. Maybe just stop by and laugh at my ineptitude and all the cobwebs on my trucks? Just a thought.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/29/13 04:15 PM

We could all pool together for a taco fiesta?
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/29/13 05:07 PM

Damn in spirit I'm in but in practice I'm probably going to be at Mom's house down in Tucson Sunday. I'd be down for Saturday action sauce, fo' sheezy!



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Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/29/13 05:50 PM

I'm all in for tacos.

WW, if'n you wanted to stop by Saturday, I'm sure I could find some fun stuff for us to do with one of the veehickles.

Thanks!

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/30/13 11:32 PM

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Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/31/13 12:42 AM

WTF is that?

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/31/13 01:02 AM

new hobby keeps headaches away <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> btw i'll be there for the wrench action
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/31/13 05:27 AM

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new hobby keeps headaches away <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> btw i'll be there for the wrench action


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I just dump goodys powder on my tongue and swallow a few times..

I'll be there Saturday JBFP, what should I bring? Tools and stuff i mean. Or whatever. ?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/31/13 05:50 AM

This has gone too far, and I'm not sure why. I've never put anything up my nose, EVER, except anti-allergy stuff. Why THE F are you guys posting stuff like this???

I have everything handy here, WW.

John B.
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 10/31/13 06:12 AM

Yeah me either, except that nasal decongestant stuff you're supposed to put up there, and once I tried snuff but I got it all up in my sinuses and it burned and I decided I'm just not cool enough for powdered tobacco.

But Goody's powder is AWESOME for headaches if you just put it in your mouth.. it's like an excederin only it works faster because it starts getting in your blood right when you dump it on your tongue. Plus they make an orange flavored one. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/01/13 12:50 AM

TOO FAR!! we've just begun

I'll let Dr. Rockzo tell the rest of the story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVka5T5hC88
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/01/13 04:34 AM

EDIT: Well it turns out Kevin knows what's up, Sunday morning at JBFP's. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/01/13 04:31 PM

Where do you find this stuff? The cartoon, I mean.

John B.
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/01/13 05:04 PM

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EDIT: Well it turns out Kevin knows what's up, Sunday morning at JBFP's. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


Yeah I'm just doing Saturday because I am going to Mom's house Sunday to celebrate her big 75th birthday
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/02/13 09:03 AM

I'll show you more sunday jbfp
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/02/13 10:26 AM

Dear God, I hope not...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/04/13 05:28 AM

I cannot say enough about the effort and results I saw today from The Crew. These guys are THE GREATEST.

Thank you ALL.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/04/13 04:30 PM

And the comments from the Jack In The Box employees about how they didn't remember anybody ever ordering 70 tacos before: Classic.

I have a few left over. In case you want a taco. Or five.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/04/13 04:43 PM

We have to come back and have a taco recookoff, you can do them on the grill for extra awesome refreshness!

I'll be out of town next weekend though, but the week after that...

1 truck up and 2 to go JBFP! Make some progress this week, hopefully we've motivated you. Having 4 fully operational vehicles will definitely impress your neighbor across the street.
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/04/13 04:47 PM

RECOOKOFF REFRESHNESS!

REDICULOUS!

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Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/04/13 06:17 PM

WW, you got the day right Saturday. Your actions set the stage for Sunday's awesomeness.

Toasty, I'm up and motive. I PM'd LT with a picture of what I think the relay I'm looking for is, just have to wait for him to look at it and tell me if that's the one, then I'll hunt it down and slap it on.

The fueling issue was always the thing that gave me doubts. Now that that appears to have been resolved, I'll get another pump for the '87 and get that part squared away for that truck, too. Hopefully my plan for how the filters are set up will hold together under fuel pressure...just have to keep extinguishers handy in case it all goes to hell.

Just about done putting the steering back on the '95, then it's off to get an alignment. Maybe I'll even take it for a spin later...

I can't say THANKS enough to you guys.

John B.
Posted By: Canyonero

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/05/13 12:49 AM

Awesome! Glad you're finally getting back on the road dude! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Sorry I couldn't make the wrenchfest this time around. Had a busy football weekend with my son.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/05/13 12:55 AM

Well, Joel over at Jack's alignment didn't charge me because he didn't align it. He said to bring it back to him after I replace the passenger side upper ball joint (cheap EBay crap), passenger side lower a-arm front bushing, adjust the wheels bearings and what the hell, go ahead and replace those front differential mounts while you're in there, why don't cha? I didn't give him enough time to notice the worn out motor mounts and transmission mount or I'm sure he would have mentioned that, too.

I ordered new front wheel bearings and races (why not), the one new ball joint, control arm bushing, an air filter for the '86, an exhaust gasket for the same and took a chance on the fuel injection relay, as I figured I'd never even see one in a junkyard. Heck, I wouldn't even know where to look for it.

So, still more parts are on the way.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/05/13 07:01 AM

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Sorry I couldn't make the wrenchfest this time around.


Oh, don't feel TOO sorry. I have a favor to lean on you for...heh heh.

John B.
Posted By: monte3

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/05/13 03:17 PM

Glad to see the troops rally, you guy's make a real effort to help one another out.
BTW JB, does Kenny still work at Jacks?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/05/13 03:24 PM

Yes, Ken Tweet still works at Jack's, but he took off early yesterday. They have a third guy there now and Joel said Ken is planning on scaling his hours back.

Speaking again to the alignment, I guess I didn't do too bad, as the wheel is almost centered and it tracks straight going down the road. Not bad for doing it by eye.

Rock Auto blows my mind. One of my two shipments will be here tomorrow and I just ordered the stuff yesterday.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/05/13 05:29 PM

LT, I "think" I see where that relay plugs in, but can I ask you to verify? It appears there are three separate plugs coming off the driver's side of the engine and they total what looks to be seven or eight wires. That would appear to match up with the relay I ordered. Sound correct?

BOTH Rock Auto packages should be here tomorrow. They're great. Might just have the '86 churning before the weekend.

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: JohnnyB Wrenchfest Action! - 11/06/13 12:22 AM

let me know when the relay comes in i'll stop by on my way to work, do a quick overlook of everything and we can FIRE IT UP!
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

86 Progress - 11/06/13 12:24 AM

LT set me straight on the relay plug. Passenger side footwell, right where I didn't think to look. Plug and relay appear to be the right match.

Ordered up more parts: power steering crank pulley (this engine was in a manual steer truck and never had the option. Strange design, but they would just add-a-pulley onto the front two grooved one), power steering pump bracket (have to use my remote reservoir pump, no big deal, the attached reservoir Montero pump is too deep), and I also spent the extra ten bucks for the two underhood stickers to show the correct engine and the vacuum line layout. All that stuff had to come through Mitsubishi Parts dot com, as Rock didn't have them and I appear to have received the best online prices I saw during a quick search.

The only two things I can't do myself from here on out are to connect the new exhaust to the old system (one or two welds, maybe a short pipe section) and to switch over the a/c lines to the truck compressor after evacuating the R12 and converting it to R-134, hopefully.

The Montero fan shroud IS actually offset a little to the passenger side, which I never noticed before, and appears to be usable in this install, which is good because the engine sits way back from the radiator and the fan will need all the help it can get. Hopefully I don't have to use a fan spacer.

I should be able to test fire this thing as soon as I get the relay!

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

95 Progress - 11/07/13 01:53 PM

Relay should be to the house later today. FedEx tried to deliver package one of two yesterday but didn't leave it without a signature (really, FedEx?, it's just auto parts). So, I should be getting both boxes from Rock Auto today. Spoiler alert: I guess I can't go to the junkyard with Toasty for that reason. Can't risk missing them.

Got the '95 re-tinted yesterday, and man, what a difference. Previously, I had the driver's and passenger's front doors re-done, as they weren't legal when I got the truck from Monte3, and that's a primary offense now in AZ, meaning they will pull you over for that without any other thing to do with anything. So that left nine panels of glass for my friend (Stick To It Window Tinting) to re-do. Well, eight, since the back window wasn't tinted, since it got replaced after it got broken. Anyway, the old tint was so bad that it appeared a couple of the cargo area windows were broken because the tint had some really weird lines in it from top to bottom and it had all turned purple and looked like crap. The whole truck looks ten years newer now and I can't wait to get to work on the plastic cladding to get it repainted and looking really good.

While Keith was tinting (it took almost 7 hours, he's a perfectionist), I took off the wiper arms and spare tire carrier and spray painted them gloss black again (I only messed up two of the wiper arms - dumb move - redo...). I also rubbed more Lexol into the leather parts of the seats.

I made a command decision and debadged the front and rear of the truck. I unscrewed the three diamond logo and the V6 emblems from the front grill, then used a heat gun to remove the Mitsubishi label from the rear hatch handle. Sorry Monte3, but I also removed the "3" from your old sticker on the back, but I left the three diamonds with the checkered flag part, as I think it's pretty cool looking. I'm still thinking about whether or not to remove the side badging. I probably will, but just not sure yet.

Today I will tear into the passenger side front suspension and get ready for the replacement parts so I can get it all fixed up for an alignment. Hopefully I can get slacker Kevin to do some masking to get ready for painting the body cladding, too. I need to pick up front bearing seals, as I forgot to order some, plus I need some brass punches to remove my old bearing races.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: 95 Progress - 11/07/13 04:06 PM

Motivated! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: 95 Progress - 11/08/13 01:28 PM

Got the passenger side plastic painted and we are aiming for the driver's side and front and rear bumpers today. Pulled the front off to make it easier to just mask the chrome and paint everything else. I am really liking the Krylon paint with primer product and it leaves a nice finish.

Got the driver's side pulled apart on the front end, but still have to drive the old races out and install the new ones. I can see the real need for a race/seal driver set, so it's off to Harbor Freight once again. I may end up using some differential heating/cooling to make the new races (cold) go into the hubs (hot) a little easier.

I figured out pretty quickly that the squealing belt that showed up Sunday was the alternator. After the window tinting on Wednesday, where the battery was stressed pretty hard by running the windows up and down several times, it was howling pretty bad on restart. I knew I should have had it rebuilt while the truck sat but I never did it. Now I'm going to have to pull and replace it. Rebuilt one should be here by Monday. Between that and the grinding idler pulley replaced last weekend, the engine should be considerably less noisy when it returns to service.

On the '86...LT stopped by on his way to work last night and did some work to get the fuel pump to fire off (the relay was the correct part). I know not of his electrical wizardry, only that it worked, insomuch as we discovered that there's a fuel fountain going on under there somewhere. Nine hours later and it still smells like gas outside... I'll find it and see what needs to be done...

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: 95 Progress - 11/08/13 04:16 PM

Fountain of fuel was my/Clay's bad, we were both working on that. You needed to get some of that fuel al over the place anyway, it's good for the winter grass.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: 95 Progress - 11/09/13 01:12 PM

I didn't look at the '86 at all yesterday. Still smells like gas, though, ha ha.

Got myself a neato bearing race driver. That thing is the best. I put my new races in the freezer, cleaned up the driver's side hub after tapping out the old races and the new ones go in real nice and seat all the way. Pack the heck out of the new bearings and follow that weirdo procedure from the manual to set them up...119 lbs with the 'special tool,' which I have (Chevy socket with four of six ears ground off), back off to zero, retorque to 18, loosen to line up holes. The other side should go much quicker, except I have to replace a ball joint and a control arm bushing...

Got the front bumper trim all painted yesterday, plus the driver's side Aisin. That leaves the driver's side plastic and the rear bumper and the passenger side Aisin. Man, that makes a huge difference. I'll be all ready to cruise the mall in this thing when I'm done...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

'86 Questions - 11/12/13 07:34 AM

I have a couple of concerns on the '86. One, the fuel pump wasn't working when I keyed the ignition to "on" to check for my fuel leaks today. It ran when LT was here, though. I wonder what's up with that.

Second, I ordered an air filter for the engine, but it doesn't fit. The filter is perfectly round, but the filter housing is oval shaped. Every picture of the filter, from every manufacturer I have looked at shows that the filter is round. It does not appear that the can has been altered in any way, and I'm pretty sure I didn't order a filter for the wrong year since the 2.4 only used the style of filter like this in a couple of years. It also doesn't fit because it's a little too long, even though I'm really pushing against the spring clips on the inside of the bottom of the can. I may have to junkyard another filter housing. Weird.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

'95 Progress - 11/12/13 07:58 AM

Got the rest of the plastic painted yesterday. HoseB did all the spraying on it since he seems to do a really good job at it, at least he's way better than I am at it. Looks fantastic, especially compared to how faded it had become since 3 1/2 years ago when it was first done.

I still have the front suspension taken apart, but I'm on the passenger side now. I'm going to take a closer look at the lower swingarm front bushing tomorrow, as I have my doubts it needs to be replaced like Joel at the alignment shop seemed to think.

Got the races in the hub already. I really suggest putting those things in the freezer before installing them, as it really makes them go in so much easier than when the old ones come out, so that slight difference in size while cold makes a difference. The Aisin cleaned up a lot easier on this side, too, and the paint is on it and the bolts.

Got my latest box of parts from RockAuto on Saturday, which was a surprise, because I didn't think FedEx did residential deliveries on Saturdays, like UPS doesn't. So, I have my ball joint to put in tomorrow. Got the old one separated already and this time I used the hammer technique of rapping the knuckle, and sure enough, it popped it loose without having to use the pickle fork. Pretty cool.

My lower ball joints are ungreasable, at least the driver's side is. The zerk is just off center from the hole that lets you get the gun fitting on there and I can't unscrew the stupid zerk to get extended zerks installed, which I have. I may have to loosen the bolts and try to move it slightly, as it's not doing them any favors to be ungreased. Using a grease needle isn't the best answer, either.

I'm going to try to replace the alternator through the passenger side tomorrow. The thing squeals the heck out of the belt at start up when under heavy electrical load, and the belt is tight, so I know it's near its end. I've had troubled with it for years of unsteady output, too, where sometimes I see 12 volts on the gauge, sometime more like 14. It always gets lower when the truck is hot. I'll have to switch the pulley over to the new one because my reman unit didn't come with one. Sounds like they aren't pressed on (thanks for the text, Toasty), so for once I shouldn't have to buy yet another tool at Harbor Freight tomorrow.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '95 Progress - 11/12/13 04:03 PM

If you haven't done an alternator on a 3.5 yet there is a super easy way, takes maybe 10-15 minutes. Just remove your air cleaner box and snake the alternator out that way, you shouldn't have to remove the power steering pressure line.
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Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress - 11/12/13 04:13 PM

Hadn't thought of that. Thanks. Plus, I already have everything off on the passenger side, so I'll get room to get the belt from there.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress - 11/13/13 05:07 PM

Got that little job done. The old alternator rattled when I shook it, which isn't good, from what I know. I spun it up with the air ratchet after removing the pulley and it sounded like it had rocks for bearings. Needless to say, the truck is much less noisy now.

Went back in to the driver's side to replace the brake pads, which I didn't have when the side was apart on Friday. I decided to attempt to get the zerk for the lower ball joint to line up with its little access hole (I couldn't get a grease gun to latch onto the zerk) and it turned into a regular ordeal. Then decided to try to enlarge the hole with various Dremel attachments, and that consumed a lot of time and also consumed the threads for the original zerk and made it impossible to even put a replacement on it. SO...I'll be replacing the thing today. Good thing I don't have to spend the $18.99 (ha ha) because AutoZone will be giving me the new one under warranty...

One of these days I'll be able to get an alignment and we'll call this done.

John B.
Posted By: LandRaider

Re: '95 Progress - 11/13/13 09:47 PM

For Pat
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Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress - 11/14/13 03:35 AM

Just give Dr. Rockzo one more ch-ch-chance!

Well, things got worser on the '95. Altough I was able to separate the tie rod and the upper ball joint just by whacking the fitting areas, the lower refused to budge. Had to use a pickle fork, and in the process, gouged the living [email]cr@p[/email] out of my rotor. Wish it was as easy as replacing the rear rotors, but it isn't. It ticks me off even more because I had just put the new bearings in that side and set them up. Now I have to do all that over again, too. At least I'm getting fast at it.

John B.
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: '95 Progress - 11/14/13 04:12 PM

This is unfortunate <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Are you at least getting to Kung Fu Grand Master Whitebeard level with Power Words?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress - 11/14/13 04:22 PM

I may not be quite that good...yet.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress - 11/15/13 04:06 AM

I said to "H" with it and took my Dremel to the side of the rotor with the multi-dings. I used a wheel that allowed me to remove material without gouging the disc surface, so I essentially just knocked off the high spots and left the indentations. Put everything back together, bedded in the brakes with some proper stops from 60 and I'm happy. No noise, no pulsing, no pulling side-to-side. Smooth grippy brakes.

Everything's tight up front, too. Ready for the alignment shop, but they'll probably laugh and say it's so close it doesn't need much, it feels that good.

WARNING: I'm going to need to lean on The Crew again, as I need a timing belt job and valve stem seals. Hope I'm not pushing my luck.

Can't believe how fun it is to drive this truck again!

John B.
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: '95 Progress - 11/15/13 04:41 AM

Let's celebrate with WALL THONG TACO BEERS!!!

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Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: '95 Progress - 11/15/13 02:40 PM

i still need to come over and give one of the wires power thats why your pump isn't running
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress - 11/15/13 02:58 PM

Excellent, LT, thanks. I'll get under the thing and recheck all those gas line fittings and clamp some stuff up so it won't spew, hopefully.

Made my appointment at Discount Tire for the '95 for this morning. I like to make them rotate the tires and rebalance them since they were the ones who mounted them originally and heck, I paid for the service, so dance for me, monkeys!

Then it's over to Jack's for an alignment. Hurrah, finally!

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress/'86 Update - 11/16/13 02:29 AM

I was told I was 1/8" off on my eyeball alignment regarding the setting of the toe on the '95. I was out by that much. Joel at Jack's said I'll put him out of business with that kind of work, and I'll take that as a compliment. That truck is set to short-term rock.

I started inspecting the '86 for fueling issues. I found a few "I.D.G.A.F" items, and by that, it appears somebody didn't really spend a few minutes thinking this through. One of the leak/spew/spray points was on the pressure line by the gas tank. Reused a spring clamp between the fuel injection hose off the pump to the hard line? I double clamped that one and also used the spring clamp, so there's now three on that connection.

Keeping with the back, the terminals on the fuel pump weren't tight; simple fix. All of the hose clamps needed tightening. The fuel hard lines are now back in the factory mount that was disconnected when the body lift went in, which just necessitated moving the clamp a little and making the fuel pump ground share the bolt attachment point.

I then ran a jumper wire from the battery to the fuel pump positive. Good news: no fuel leaks in the back any more. Bad news/not really; the fuel leaks from the high pressure banjo connection at the front fuel filter, and I mean it leaks big time. There may be a wave washer missing, but I ran out of daylight to be able to check.

I'm impressed with the fuel fittings I got from NAPA. Just as Toasty said, they don't even require clamps to hold incredible pressure and the only way the hose would come off of them is to cut it off. None of them leak. And zero leaks so far from anything Pa_Jero made with Teflon tape at screw-in connectors. I need to be able to reach static/full pressure and be able to see it hold before anything else.

I think I'm close here.

I found a round top part with the important sensors inside, to the air cleaner. Odd. I had that weird oval one, plus the round one, but I don't have the round filter enclosure can. No problem for now; I'll just clamp the filter to the top/important part for the time being. At least the filter fits.

My power steering pulley (but not the pump bracket) will be here tomorrow. After I hopefully put that on, I should be able to mount the radiator and shroud up and plumb the transmission cooler, which this truck didn't have when stock (the 3-speed auto just relied on the one in the radiator).

That's it for today. I smell like gas!

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '95 Progress/'86 Update - 11/16/13 02:53 AM

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I started inspecting the '86 for fueling issues. I found a few "I.D.G.A.F" items, and by that, it appears somebody didn't really spend a few minutes thinking this through. One of the leak/spew/spray points was on the pressure line by the gas tank. Reused a spring clamp between the fuel injection hose off the pump to the hard line? I double clamped that one and also used the spring clamp, so there's now three on that connection


That would be me and Clay on that, we switched jobs halfway through and that was the result. I did tell you to give it a once over. But i didn't put clamps on some of the hydraulic fittings because we were short on clamps (at least i couldn't find them) and i figure'd at least those would be OK.

MY bad JBFP
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress/'86 Update - 11/16/13 03:43 AM

Just giving you dudes a hard time.

It's under control.

John B.
Posted By: motero

Re: '95 Progress/'86 Update - 11/16/13 04:43 AM

I bought the valve spring compressor tool, you can borrow it JBFP.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '95 Progress/'86 Update - 11/16/13 03:59 PM

Motero, you didn't do the deal with mxmikie? I "think" Canyonero has the set-up, too, and he has said he'll help out, along with Pa_Jero, to do a final attack on the '95 to get the timing belt and associated stuff as well as the valve stem seals, etc done over some random weekend. I'll let you know if they are missing anything we may need to borrow. And, thanks for the offer.

Toasty, I have to get with you to obtain that downpipe for the '86. When's a good time for me to cruise over?

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '95 Progress/'86 Update - 11/16/13 05:43 PM

Whenever, I can even stash it out front in case i'm not home. I'll text you the location.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

'86 Update - 11/16/13 06:29 PM

Thanks, Toast.

Missing copper washers! That's why the banjo fittings are spewing. There should be a copper washer on both sides of the fitting, and there's only washers on one side of each. Of course, the ones at the AutoZone aren't quite big enough (of course), so I'm off to True Value to see if they have the right size. Like Stephan on SNL says: "They have everything!"

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/16/13 07:37 PM

And we have fuel pressure. Pump shuts off, then turns back on to recirculate through the return after the regulator lets some back to the tank.

Ready for next steps.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 11/16/13 10:18 PM

Start it!
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/17/13 04:26 AM

Tried to start it. Didn't fire off. Got another fuel leak, this time at the return line up front (WTF?). Had one guy turn the key, another hold the jumper wire on the battery while I held the jumper on the pump. Nothin.

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 11/18/13 03:10 AM

Bad fuel pump ground?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/18/13 11:05 AM

No, Lordtrunks hasn't wired the pump up through the ignition yet. We have been jumping the pump to narrow down the fuel leaks, and I can visually and audibly verify it works just fine.

I went over to Toasty's house and picked up the exhaust section he had laying around. It's the 2 into 1 pipe that bolts on right after the manifold on the '86 and should make for a great exhaust setup performance-wise, as it is basically a factory long tube header in combination with the manifold. He also had the steering column plastic, which I was missing.

This was the first time I had the '95 on the freeway for any distance in over a year. It liked that. It had been setting a check engine light, and the light finally went out and stayed out after just a couple of miles and for the rest of the day. Because it's OBD-1, I hadn't bothered to check what it was. I did replace the crankcase breather hose-to-air-cleaner line the other day, as it was split and allowing unmetered air in the intake after the MAF, so I hope that was the issue.

Took the rest of the day off and watched football. Cardinals win!

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 11/18/13 04:43 PM

I've got that MUT-2 Scanner now, we can scan your rig if the light comes back on.

[color:"red"] MUT [/color] = [color:"red"]M[/color]itsubishi [color:"red"]U[/color]tilizes [color:"red"]T[/color]echnology AKA Multi Use Tool
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 11/18/13 11:03 PM

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T Had one guy turn the key, another hold the jumper wire on the battery while I held the jumper on the pump. Nothin.


I mis-read your post, thought you weren't getting the fuel pump to run.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/19/13 03:09 AM

Today I pulled the exhaust manifold off the 2.4 in the '86. I noticed the two end studs were broken off at the cylinder head (of course I have extras...somewhere). I figure now I'll have to paint the mani, shield and downpipe since...what the he!!. Why not. Here's another example of a well-though-out stock system. Cylinders 1 and 4 pair and 2 and 3 pair, then exit the mani into the downpipe separately, blending into one pipe about 18" later. Factory header, and I can't see how the aftermarket could've made something better. Lighter, yes, but better flowing, I doubt it.

Looks like it's over to the Mesa Pick-N-Pull tomorrow. I don't think the power steering bracket is going to come through from Mitsubishiparts.com, since my invoice for the pulley says 'canceled' next to the part number. It shows the same next to one of the underhood labels I ordered, too, but I did get the one that shows the emissions tubing schematic so I can paste it over the G54B one that's there now for clarity, and authenticity, dang it. I also want to try to find a round air can for the stock round air filter and one solenoid for the evap canister since one of my solenoids has a snapped off nipple (ouch!). I'd like it to pass emissions. Maybe if I'm lucky I can get a glimpse of what the stock arrangement is for the charcoal canister set-up, since that's about the only thing I'm left with a question on for that system.

Ordered an exhaust mani gasket and also (hope you're sitting down)...an Airtex E8228 fuel pump for the Type R/Turbo Raider. This is actually an improvement over the former recommended piece from the turbo bible, in that it has 5/16" inlet and outlet connections to match up with what is used on the rest of the truck. Otherwise, specs are identical. I also added in an Oh-2 sensor for the same, since I seem to have lost the last one I had, along with the little mounting plate for it, thankfully the sensor comes with that part. Belts and hoses are on the way for the '86 as well.

I made my tools and time pay me today by also replacing the crap job somebody did on my neighbor's 1968 VW bus when they "redid" his fuel line. They used the original equipment sort-of braided fuel lines, added an in-line, aftermarket filter, and didn't clamp anything. The line came loose at the filter and all his fuel dumped out; he's lucky there was no catastrophic fire. I flared a metal section of the line, as they had simply put the flexible line on there, friction-fit, then I used quality hose and clamped everything, even replaced the hose from the fuel pump to the carb, then zip-tied it all up out of the way of everything. I have about $20 in parts in the job and haven't given him a labor bill, but his last name is Kitchell, if that means anything to you local guys who know about commercial construction. He'll take care of things and probably get me more work of some type.

Look for my now-daily update tomorrow!

Oh, Toasty, no new CEL today. Everything's been great with the '95.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/20/13 12:36 AM

Made it to Mesa Pick-A-Part today. Got the fan shroud, which I see doesn't fit (too narrow). I did score the power steering pump and bracket, then noticed the water pump pulley was different, so I grabbed that too; it has an extra groove on it for the power steering belt.

I decided to get the charcoal canister, as it has two nipples instead of the truck's three, and I don't want any yahoos at emission giving me [email]cr@p[/email] for having one capped off because they don't know any better. Also decided to get the brake booster hose, since they have a check valve in them to allow the booster to hold vacuum after the engine is shut off and after it builds vacuum while driving even when the engine isn't developing vac, like full throttle. Got the heater hoses, since I noticed Rock Auto doesn't have them (funky shapes).

And I decided to get an alternator out of a '99 Galant. From not-so-close checking, the bolt pattern lines up, but the plug on the back is different, as in it has four wires instead of the Monty/Mighty Max's two. I did get the plug and a few inches of wire, so hopefully I can figure it out. The Galant had a sweet looking 16 valve four cylinder in it with a n-i-c-e looking factory header. I guess that's a VR4?

Now cleaning up parts and trying to get the new head studs in.

Oh yeah, I ordered a timing belt set, water pump, o-ring and gasket, thermostat and gaskets this morning as well.

I love parts.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 11/20/13 01:36 AM

Great work ..It will be cool to see how you like it once its done ... Yes the pully is strange .. The 2.4 truck alt is real weak like 45amp so ya change it .. Good to see you getting some head way on the montys
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 11/20/13 02:38 AM

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I guess that's a VR4?


Not unless there was a turbo hanging off of it.

Did you happen to notice any SRs in the yard during your parts pickin'?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/20/13 03:43 AM

Oh, O.K., I didn't know what a VR4 was, really, I guess. Didn't see a turbo, but didn't look for one, either.

No SR's that I could tell from their inventory on-line, but then again, I didn't ask when I was there. I only went to that one yard because Toasty told me about a specific truck that had the parts I needed. It had them, at least almost everything. I'd still like to really find a proper Mitsubishi transmission cooler.

I do know the stock Mighty Max alternator isn't so mighty, so I thought I'd take a swing with this one. From all indications at the Rock Auto site, it's 90 amp also. Nice. Double the output of stock for my thunderous stereo (actually, this '86 has the best cheap stereo I've ever put together). Brian's (DR1665?) write-up of how to make these work seems pretty straightforward, maybe even more easy with this vehicle. I looked after the earlier post and saw the apparent four wires for the Galant plug had been spliced down to two, so I think it's all there. Unless I blow it up, that is.

Picked up some engine paint and some header paint. Going with gloss and flat black on this one. Maybe I'll even do the valve cover in black. How dumb is that? I mean nobody does it, as far as I remember. Can't be any dumber than my '87 Turbo with the gold valve cover and black gloss fasteners. THAT paint ought to be plenty cured, since I painted it nearly a decade ago and left it in the back of the Raider, out in the sun.

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 11/20/13 04:10 PM

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Oh, O.K., I didn't know what a VR4 was, really, I guess.


Galant VR4 = 4 door AWD turbo Eclipse, but with high-end trim and in far more limited production.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/20/13 05:22 PM

All I know is I got a 90 amp alternator! That does sound like a fun car, though.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/21/13 02:17 AM

I painted a bunch of stuff today. Flat black header paint on the two exhaust pieces, gloss engine black on the air cleaner (oval) can, fan shroud (Montero's), power steering pump and bracket, pulley and a couple other little parts. I also sprayed the engine down with degreaser (smelled just like Scrubbing Bubbles, which somehow, I forgot about) and blasted off the driveway.

Got five different boxes from Rock Auto today. One more due tomorrow and another in a couple-few days.

Oh yeah, had to put a bunch of parts under cover since it's supposed to rain here coming up. 20% chance starting tonight, 100% Friday (which means it just might), 50% Saturday. At least it's free water for the grass.

Neighbor wants me to do more work to his VW. Steering and shift linkage are "loose" as he put it. I have no complaints. He agreed to the $120 bill I gave him for the last job ($20 materials, 3 hours time).

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 11/21/13 02:49 AM

Only help your neighbor across the street...
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/21/13 03:32 AM

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Only help your neighbor across the street...


I would gladly do that for free. Ms Bendover, the long-haired one, was out talking to Kevin today about a stray dog that's been wandering around our street for a week. He's hooked on that obsession now, too. I'll take either one (both females appear to be early 20's), myself, if only they'd play for the other team.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/21/13 03:40 AM

Oh, and thanks, DR1665, for the phone call to clarify a couple of things on the alternator swap. I took the old one off and have another issue, I think. There were several wires bundled together and I thought it would match up to the Galant plug's wiring, but it doesn't. The plug part is four wire, but the truck's is two and there aren't any wires being combined on the truck end of things...so, I am not sure what to do here. The physical attachment part should be O.K. with regard to mounting it and getting the pulley to line up.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 11/21/13 03:43 PM

Johnny, there are pin out pictures online that tell you which wires do what based on the shape of the plug and brand of alternator. I had a similar deal wen i was doing the alternator swap on the dismal.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/22/13 05:56 PM

Further fun with the alternator. The pulleys don't swap, as the new alternator's center hole is larger than the old one and the old v-groove pulley won't fit. I may head over to NAPA and see if there's something they can order up for me. If not, I may be SOL on this one.

Got everything that I painted inside before the rain hit and got the valve cover back on with a new Fel-Pro gasket. Just waiting on the timing component set to get here so I can read through the directions. Funny how this particular series of 2.4 lacks the hydraulic tensioner that later years have and the belt is tensioned by spring. I can find nothing relevant on You Tube, despite Toasty's directions to search 6G72 as well.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 11/22/13 06:37 PM

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Funny how this particular series of 2.4 lacks the hydraulic tensioner that later years have and the belt is tensioned by spring.

John B.


The 2.4 spring tensioner is much nicer then the hyd tensioner... Lots of died Mitsu's over the hyd tensioner.. The hyd tensioner is a "Blader tensioner" and there junk .. The blader either gets stretched out..From people not knowing what there doing.. Or the rubber goes bad ..Either way is not good..

John whats your miss-givings on the spring tensioner...?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/22/13 06:57 PM

I don't have a problem with it at all, just haven't ever done one, so I am first-timing it (ha ha). The front of the engine is really dirty, too, so I can't see all the marks to line things up yet (Scrubbing Bubbles, coming up). The main and camshaft seals need to be replaced, too. Still hard to believe everything comes in the kit for under $40.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 11/22/13 07:29 PM

I used a V6 alternator on my 2.4 swap.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/22/13 07:43 PM

I may have bitten off more than I can chew with this alt. We'll see.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/23/13 05:51 PM

I splurged $20 for a really cool digital caliper from Harbor Freight. The thing measures inside and outside diameters/distances, etc, and displays metric, decimal standard or fractional standard. So, I'm able to speak actual numbers when I go to look for my pulley. Should help.

Finally got enough oil off the front of the 2.4 to see all the timing marks. A few rotations and I have everything lined up. I was finally able to get schematics and a step-by-step, so I'll do a write up on the procedure when I'm done. Sure it's easy, but there are a couple of tricks, like with the lower right balance shaft and the seal removal/replacement I hope to be able to elaborate on.

Hey, the sun came out! Nice. We got almost 2" of rain here. Good thing I got that bag of weed-n-feed for the lawn; the weeds are trying to invade.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/26/13 07:09 AM

Removing the seals: Not too bad, actually. I followed part of the factory advice and used a flat screwdriver with an old heavy fabric napkin over the tip and stuck it in next to both the crank and the cam to open up some access (this keeps you from scratching the cam/crank). Then I employed another nearly-forgotten thing from my old friends at Harbor Freight, a set of little picks with curved ends. I just snaked them in carefully, avoiding the inner surfaces, and pulled the seals out. Went to Walgreens and got some Q-Tips, then cleaned up the areas where the new seals will go in with the tips coated with a spritz of brake cleaner (lots of 'tips), then used dry ones to do a final clean and check for scratches (none; no shredding of tips).

After a fruitless session of trying to use various sockets and household implements to drive in the new seals, I used my fancy caliper to determine that a 1-1/2" and a 2" section of schedule 40 PVC fit the seals just right, so I went to Home (away from home) Depot and bought a short section of each, plus end caps to use as hammer points. I'll shorten those down in the morning, smooth out the business ends and should make short work of seating them.

I also picked up a section of perforated flat steel stock to fasten to the bellcrank so I can attach the transmission kick-down cable. Of course in the process of removing the throttle body, I saw the need to replace the cooling lines that run to/from that piece as well.

Reassembly will commence tomorrow. It better, anyway.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/27/13 03:16 AM

I got "some" of those things done. I got the heater hoses and the hoses from the throttle body on. I "fabbed" up my special bracket for the transmission kickdown cable. I reinstalled the throttle body with my fancy new bracket and discovered...it pulls the trans cable too tight, even when adjusted all the way out, so I'll sleep on a solution to make it better. I think an "L" shaped piece of metal will shorten the distance sufficiently and will be simple to attach.

Haven't seated the seals yet. Haven't made any progress on the front of the engine. Did diagnose my neighbor's VW bus's steering problem. It's the difficult-to-replace (billable hours though) pivot pin bushings and pin that are worn as sh!t. Ordered parts, placed deposit on special 24mm reamer tool to hone bushings after install. Fortunately, the parts won't be here until the weekend so I can get back to Montero-ism.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/28/13 03:25 AM

O.K. Fixed the trans kick-down by adding a piece of perforated metal to shorten the distance to the cable connection. Redid one of the heater hoses, the thermostat to throttle body one because I tried to use straight tubing and it was kinking. Total length of the hose is probably only 3" and I had to buy the curved one made for the truck (grrrr...) and hack a bunch off since it's cut-to-fit and way too long.

Got the seals seated with a 1-1/2" piece of PVC with an end cap on it for the cam and a 2" for the front crank. I think I got them right...we'll see when I get some oil pressure.

Put the timing belts on, but I am off by a tooth on the timing one. Ran out of daylight so I just painted a couple of things like the exhaust manifold nuts and washers and the bolts that hold the exhaust sections together.

Putting stuff back together rocks better than taking them apart, I think. Everything's cleaner.

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 11/28/13 05:12 AM

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I just painted a couple of things like the exhaust manifold nuts and washers and the bolts


You painted your exhaust hardware? Jeez, I thought I was anal about working on vehicles but you just put me to shame!
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/28/13 03:28 PM

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[quote]You painted your exhaust hardware?


Well, yeah, of course. Hi temp flat black for exhaust, including the washers, nuts, bolts, manifold and collector tube; engine enamel gloss black for things like the power steering pump, brackets, valve cover, etc. Basically anything I take off I wash/degrease and then paint. Not always very well, but I try. The upper timing cover didn't turn out so hot...

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 11/28/13 06:28 PM

I'm usually the same way, but generally only clean and paint parts, hardware gets cleaned and wire brushed but not painted.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/28/13 07:22 PM

I don't like to wire brush hardware in case they are galvanized as it would knock the coating off and they'd rust.

It's a losing battle painting fasteners anyway. If you have to really torque on them or if you have to dis-assemble something and put it back together they get chipped anyway. Oh well. It's something to do instead of listening to my renter's and neighbor's mindless chatter. On the exhaust parts, it slows down the rust...as if things rust here, ha ha ha.

Ryan, you going to be able to make the Saturday run? Hackberry.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 11/30/13 03:00 AM

I got everything timed right today. I was one tooth behind on the crank and right balancer. Hung the exhaust on and bolted it in with new gaskets. It tucks up nicely, like it was made for a Montero, but it doesn't line up anywhere near where my existing exhaust was, so that's going to get done at a muffler shop, I guess, since Toasty doesn't like to weld exhausts.

Next, I have a ground or two to extend/change connectors on so they'll be good, and I have to extend the connection for the oil pressure sensor. Not sure if the donor vehicle had a gauge or just a light, so we'll see what happens when I hook up the sender.

Still haven't done anything with the alternator pulley but that's coming real soon. At least with my fancy caliper I can tell counter people what size things I need instead of just grunting and pointing.

Need to unhook the Montero's power steering lines and connect the pump I'm going to use after I mount it's bracket. Then belts (new), fan, radiator (rodded), shroud (painted) and hoses (also new).

I have some interior things left to tidy up and new door lock cylinders to install as it looks like somewhere along the line somebody tried unsuccessfully to jimmy the locks and messed up both door's cylinders.

LordTrunks, I'm about ready for you to give it the ol' Billy-Baroo on the electrical and let's see if we can get this thing out of the driveway!

Oh, '95 update: I put in my new transmission mount this afternoon. Man, did it need that. The old one was completely thrashed and I'm willing to bet it makes a big difference with the harsh vibration I've had from the rear at highway speeds for years. (EDIT: It didn't. I'm ordering u-joints and taking the driveshaft in to be balanced.)I have to get to the engine mounts soon.

I put the front two skid plates back on. What a pain because they're so deformed. The transfer case skid doesn't want to cooperate, but I'll try to get it on in the morning before I leave for Hackberry Creek, my first four wheeling in over a year! Gotta find all my gear and get loaded up, too.

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 11/30/13 05:09 PM

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Ryan, you going to be able to make the Saturday run? Hackberry.


Can't make this one, I've got a weekend full of automotive projects including trying to get my Miata back together and driving again.

I've got torn cv boots on both axles on my Montero, with replacement axles sitting here waiting to go in - gotta get them in before any serious wheeling takes place. I'm definitely planning on the Crown King trip on the 14th though.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/03/13 01:36 AM

'95 made it fine, even though I needed and didn't have, my transmission and transfer case skids on. Gee, what's the trick to getting the little bolts back in for the little torque converter inspection plate? They're tucked way up in there and I ended up leaving it off.

I am through with the alternator swap try-out for the '86. I went to NAPA with no luck today, trying for a v-groove pulley. Unless anybody has any better ideas, I'm going to return this alternator back to Mesa Pull-A-Part for credit. I need to keep moving forward so I'll just put the stock alt back on for now, since no one has a V-6 Gen 1 in their yards right now that I can tell.

Today's project was getting rid of the ten, yes 10, buckets lined up alongside my block wall out front. I ended up with five nearly full buckets of used oil (that's about 20-22 gallons), three buckets of really smelly water/light oil mix and a bunch of eroded and cracked old buckets. That was a long time coming. I spread kitty litter down to soak up the crap that was left behind. I really let this one go and the recent rain filled up a couple of buckets and got used oil over into a small part of the lawn, so it forced my hand. Big thanks to HoseB for his pick-up and driving me and the used crap to O'Reilly's to dispose of that stuff.

Guess I'll work on the '67 VW bus tomorrow...

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 12/03/13 03:45 AM

You have a size on the pully ...???? We have a old school alt and starter shop up the hill here... I'll bet they would have a pully...
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/03/13 04:22 AM

Thanks, David...17mm center bolt hole, 60mm in the groove, although that is less important. I would still have to figure out how to wire it. I have a two-wire plug in the Montero harness, splicing down from three leading up to it off the truck's wiring (stock, I guess), but a four wire plug and harness coming off the "new" alternator.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 12/03/13 06:13 AM

What are the wire colors on the four wire plug thats on the alt ...? Its a gen1 talon alt ..right..?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/03/13 06:51 PM

Alt came off a '99 Galant. Wires are, yellow w/ black stripe, white w/ black stripe, red w/ grey stripe and a solid black.

The Montero only has two wires all the way; I thought there were three, but the other one was an oil pressure sender hook-up bundled with it. For the alt., there's a white and a blue.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 12/04/13 04:45 AM

A Email is of to "Mr Wizard" ..So can we make a hard right off the alt tell Monday ?..There Johnny ...And I'll get wiring info..And info on my $40 Mitsu ALT wiring swap.. And I ask 'Mr Wizard' .. If I said "Mitzu ALT" ..What would the great 'Mr Wizard' say ?.. Stay tune to this channel..

Someone put 5 cents in you I can see <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />.. Good for you <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />...You have me getting off my backside ..Lol.. May have you a TP crank off a 89 auto that should work .. Will be under hoods this week end and see if it will work ..(Wow under the hood of my own toys ..Cool..) Do you have cruise ..? (somewhere) is a cruise TP crank I pulled of a 2.4 truck for you....
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/04/13 03:41 PM

TP crank? Not sure I follow you there; what's that?

The vehicle does not have cruise control.

Thanks for your help, David.

John B.
Posted By: rxinhed

Re: '86 Update - 12/08/13 04:15 AM

Transmission oil cooler is safely with Dan, now. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Update - 12/08/13 05:46 AM

Thanks, Rocks. I'll be all set up in no time. I've been super busy working on my neighbor's VW bus, which is kinda fun. Kinda. If you guys know what a steering center link pin is...I put in a new one to tighten up the steering, which involves removing old bushings, pressing in new ones, then reaming them and reassembling the assemblage. I also really fixed up his shift linkage and reconnected his heater tubes (air heat exchangers), adjusted the steering box, ran it through emissions, checked into the wipers not working and the fresh air overhead vent flap/seal (completely gone) and ordered a bunch of parts for the next round. It is missing all the seals between the foot pedal controls and the floor board, needs to have the heater cables reconnected as well as the wiper linkage to be reconnected and that airbox thing to be reassembled with new and used parts. Then he'll at least be able to drive it when it's either cold or rainy instead of just sunny and warm.

The transmission cooler RX is talking about above is for the '86. I asked him to pull one for me because The Crew swapped in the KM-148 auto and previously it had the TF 3-speed which only utilized the radiator section cooler and I didn't want to mess with the aftermarket cheap-o I had and instead opted to source the Mitsu cooler since it bolts right up and will be effective enough. Dan/Mongo on here, has some small parts for the '95 for me, so they'll ship together now.

Just need to get the alt wiring and pulley in place (it sits below the power steering pump and upper radiator hose, so it needs to be the next thing to go in and I can put the other stuff on afterwards.

Going to run the '95 out on a west-side run with my friend Sunday. Hope my heater decides to work since I didn't spend any time looking at why the temp dial doesn't do much of anything these days and I don't get heat out of the ducts. That thing also seems to want to idle low after it warms up too. Hmmmm...

Got offered a job from another neighbor. He owns (long time) an appliance repair business and needs a central Phoenix guy. After training, I'd have my own truck, make service calls (he says they don't go to sh!t houses, more like Biltmore, Suns players, high-end clients). He needed someone who knows customer service, has a clean driving record, likes fixing things, can pass a background check and a drug test. Hey, that's me. He says his guys have been with him a long time, too, because they make good money. And for once, I won't be burning up my own vehicles, as I had been doing for the past ten years. Anyway, I go over to his shop on Monday (1 mile away from home) and ride along with one of his guys starting Tuesday. Something different and probably fun. I used to go into people's homes all the time when I estimated floor covering and it was the best part of the job.

Man, I'd like to get the '86 done (and maybe sold) so I can finish up the '87 Type R turbo. It's so close...

See you gents on Saturday for Crown King (some of you, anyway). Yee Haw.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: Update - 12/08/13 05:19 PM

Good stuff JBFP!
Posted By: rxinhed

Re: Update - 12/08/13 08:59 PM

I cut the spot-welded mount for the right side of the cooler out and you can attach as needs dictate. The left side of the cooler mounts to the AC cooling fan support. I sent the best of three coolers for visual appearance and condition.

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/10/13 11:52 PM

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A Email is of to "Mr Wizard" ..So can we make a hard right off the alt tell Monday ?..There Johnny ...And I'll get wiring info..And info on my $40 Mitsu ALT wiring swap.. And I ask 'Mr Wizard' .. If I said "Mitzu ALT" ..What would the great 'Mr Wizard' say ?.. Stay tune to this channel..

Someone put 5 cents in you I can see <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />.. Good for you <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />...You have me getting off my backside ..Lol.. May have you a TP crank off a 89 auto that should work .. Will be under hoods this week end and see if it will work ..(Wow under the hood of my own toys ..Cool..) Do you have cruise ..? (somewhere) is a cruise TP crank I pulled of a 2.4 truck for you....


Any word on this yet, Mr. Hazardous?

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 12/12/13 05:56 AM

Sorry so slow ... TP crank ..LOL..I forget and switch over to 'mechanic' at times .. The "TB crank".. The 'throttle body crank'.. The deal that the throttle cable and trans kick down cable goes to on the TB (throttle body) .. There seems to be a left and right TB cranks..And ones with the iner spring and ones that have no spring..Theres big and little TB cranks .. And a mix of all of them sorry to say..

The way the TB crank "cam's" over really matters to how the trans shifts I'm seeing.. So you need a TB crank off the same sort of trans ...I have one I think will work .. But its a right hand side non-spring and you need a left hand side so you will have to cut off the 'stop arm' and weld it to the other side and drill a hole in it...

Mr Wizard is not near where his info right now .. So there should be letters on the alt at the body of the alt like E,F,I and so on..There very standered wiring and all ..So once we have that we can know what 'most' mitsu alt's are wired .. Most pulleys are standered to I was told .. 22mm 17mm 15mm... Pulley is easy my guy has 5gl bucks full..LOL....
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/12/13 06:10 AM

O.K., thanks Haz. Like I said, I need a v-belt pulley with a 17mm hole, that's key to getting me moving again. Please ask your friend if I can get one. I'll check the alternator to see if there are any markings on it for lettering or anything. Maybe I'll just bring it with on Saturday and let you look at it.

See you then.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/12/13 06:12 AM

Oh, and another thing, I think I have the transmission kick-down thing ironed out. If you have an appropriate linkage, great, but don't go out of your way for it. I fabbed up a bracket, so to speak.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 12/12/13 06:53 AM

Can do ... I'll bring a Mitsu Dodge K-car alt ..If I can find my spair one ..And you can look at that also.. Once we get Mitsu's code we can open up some hoods and I can see what the code is with a volt meter...
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/12/13 08:27 PM

No letters or anything on the back that I could see. I'll bring it.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 12/14/13 12:44 AM

I have 'a' pulley,,,, that was easy enough,,,...

Whos your Daddy Johnny... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" />

You may want to get the nut loose on your alt so we can see if its right..

I'll bring the TB crank ..

Captain Gear Box

Hazardous Toys inc
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/14/13 01:44 AM

YOU are the Man, Mr. Hazardous. I have the nut off the alt already. I'll throw it in the back of the truck and bring the plug, too.

Cool on the TB crank. It'll probably wind up the Transmission cable in the proper progression better than my hack job. Once I see it, I should be able to figure out how to make it work lefty instead of righty.

Monte3, we're going to try to leave at 6:15 to make the Evil Egg thing. (I don't like eggs; I know they have other stuff)

RyanY, you get rebooted?

Motero, figure anything out? Exploding half shafts...ten minutes...not cool. I hope you shoveled up those parts and dumped them back on their counter where you bought them.

DR1665, your friend make it in O.K.? This is going to be a big one! Sounds like quite the caravan. Charge up those cameras.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 12/14/13 02:15 AM

I must confesse ... The Rally truck was drag raced by Mitsu with a auto trans then roadraced.. Then given to a guy to rallyrace and he put a 5 speed in it .. I replaced the TB and keeped the old TB to fix ..The TB's on Mitsu die real fast if your wholeding the gas to the floor all the time .. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />.. But I should have one if I can find it .. Its not where it should be..

What are you doing for the 'cable stay' at the motor .. I'll bet the one under the Rally truck is auto.. The truck is OEM with a auto trans ..
Posted By: monte3

Re: '86 Update - 12/14/13 03:56 AM

See you gents in the a.m.BTW curious how far it is from the east side to the Chevron...About 85 miles from Clarkdale. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/14/13 04:55 AM

There's actually a place for the cable stay for the kick-down cable already on the engine. Looks like it was meant to be, so it is probably a one-size-fits-both part, unlike adding on power steering, for example.

Monte3, I Mapquested San Tan Valley, where Canyonero and Pa_Jero both live (close enough), to Lake Pleasant (close enough) and it's 90 miles!

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/30/13 01:47 PM

Saturday, I decided to have a look at why my '95 was acting all squirrely when I drove it over a bump. I was thinking maybe I had blown out a shock or broke a shock mount or...something. After a cursory visual inspection, I laid out some wrenches and started checking fasteners for tightness. Got to the rear trailing arms' connections to the frame. Wait a minute, missing an entire bushing on the passenger side, the rear one. Just gone. That'll do it.

Dealer? Nope. NAPA? Nope. Auto Zone, no. O'Reilly...had it for me in two hours. Put it back together and everything's back to normal. This is a mount point that I have smacked in the past, and even though I've tried to straighten it back out, it's such a hefty piece that it remains less than perfect and it must have sawn through the bushing and caused it to eventually just fall out. For the $11 it cost, I may just want to keep a spare on hand for the future. It's a quick and easy fix, too, and I was able to verify that my new rear pressed-in bushings at the axle end were holding up nicely as well.

Pretty surprising how such a little part makes such a big difference.

Going to try to remember to contact RyanY after work today to pick up his set of unmolestetered skid-em plates so I can start over with a straight set and treat them to new bolts and threads since the old bolt holes don't seem to work to hold bolts in them anymore...

I ran another trail to Tip Top Mine with an old friend and his group yesterday north west of town off Table Mesa Road. There's nice territory out that way. Mud in spots, a river crossing, great scenery and decent trails. Only my second time out that direction, but I'd like to explore them some more.

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: '86 Update - 01/20/14 08:39 AM

good stuff happened today injectors seem to stuck which seems about normal on the 2.4 when it sits for extended periods jbfp's got a new set on the way so inching closer. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 01/20/14 01:37 PM

Injectors and o-ring sets are ordered. For the price of four rebuilt injectors and the O-rings/seals from Rock Auto, shipping included, the price was less than one injector from NAPA, O'Reilly or Auto Zone.

The '86 did "run" but only on starting fluid. Fuel pressure seems to hold and there's only one minor seep at the low pressure return line fitting under the engine, which may just be a bad clamp.

LT got his wizard's hat on and got all the electrics squared away, including verifying that the ECU was telling the injectors to fire. All dash lights and the stereo work again, too.

I got the accessories mostly hooked back on the front of the engine, still have the power steering pump to hang on there. Since the engine ran and built oil pressure, I feel pretty good that there wasn't a puddle of oil under either the front main seal or the cam seal, since I replaced those when I did the timing belt.

Today after work I'll probably route the transmission cooler soft lines to the radiator and transmission cooler and maybe look at cutting up the old exhaust system to rig something up to quiet it down. It's kind of loud with just the open pipe after the collector.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 01/21/14 12:10 PM

Good to here it wants to run... Yes my injectors on my Rally Truck hangs a injector if it sets for a month ...But will clean out in a few miles or days of driving ...You can clean them with a 9volt battery and some wire and hose and carb cleaner ...The motor I ran it in the wreaked truck...Your working I see john ..Good ..
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 01/21/14 12:24 PM

Thanks for the tip on the injectors, HazT. The core deposit on the new ones is only $10 each, so I may keep them and send them off to Cruizin Performance to be cleaned and rebuilt...or not. The return address for the cores is in downtown Phoenix, so I'm thinking that's where the new ones are shipping from. If so, I may even get them today, but more likely tomorrow.

I didn't get to cutting on the exhaust yet, but did get the soft lines all routed and clamped for the transmission. I will need to fab up a bracket to secure the one side of the new transmission cooler, but I already have the strap steel for that.

Sure would be nice to see this thing out at camp this weekend, but there's a lot left to do. Maybe, just maybe it will come together...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 01/22/14 01:05 PM

No solid tracking info on the injectors; they still show as 'pre-ship' in the USPS tracking system, same as yesterday morning. Hopefully they arrive today.

Unbolted and removed the old exhaust from the '86. Still amazes me how stuff that old just comes right apart and isn't rusted to he!!. Unfortunately, I can't position the old (yet new) catalytic converter any way to meet up with the 2.4 exhaust outlet because the converter was welded onto a long pipe in front of it that limits where I can make it go. Looks like I have to buy one with a front flange and work from there.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 01/28/14 01:46 PM

And it lives! After replacing the injectors yesterday after work, the '86 started after many attempts of turning the key to start for just a bump and releasing. It was almost like the fuel pump was only running at the start position, since that was the only time I could hear it. Then it magically just started. Since I didn't have any coolant in it, I only let it run for a minute, then keyed it off...but it continued to run! Had to unplug the fuel injection relay to kill it. LT said he'll have a look at that.

The thing was loud, of course, since there's no exhaust on it yet. It was smoky underhood from new exhaust gasket and paint on things. But it didn't leak anything. Today I'll fill up the power steering, transfer case and automatic transmission. I filled up the radiator after the test run and it appears to hold water, at least. If I slap a catalytic converter on at the exhaust flange it will quiet it down a touch.

I will need an oil pressure sender for a gauge (it just floors now since this one's for a light), as well as a fan spacer to get the cooling fan into the shroud. It looks like none of the connectors for the transfer case indicator lights got plugged in. And I have to reconnect the transmission kickdown onto the bellcrank Haztoys gave me.

All in all, it feels good to be getting closer. And it feels good to not see fuel or oil leaks so far. Thanks to everyone for the help to get to this point.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 01/28/14 04:25 PM

Awesome! That's good news, you'll be out on the trail in no time
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 01/29/14 04:41 AM

Right on John ...

Theres two different systems on running the pump... One on the start side of the key and one on the run side of the key... And they do not coincide ...You need to have power to the pump on the 'start' side of the key ....Theres a few ways to do it ...

The D50 fan shroud is what I used on the 2.4 swaps I did ...Its much deeper... Good to see you bring this swap out in the open ...The best swap for the GEN1 there is ...
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 01/29/14 01:31 PM

I picked up a Mighty Max fan shroud at the junkyard some time ago, but it does not fit the Montero radiator, which is wider than the MM's. If I use a fan spacer, I can retain the Montero shroud and everything else should fit, too.

I got pretty much everything else fit under the hood, overflow bottle, windshield washer bottle (but I can't find the electrical plug for the pump), air cleaner can (MAF better work), vapor canister. I filled up the power steering fluid and put about 3 1/2 qts of ATF in the KM-148. When I restart it, the return line from the transmission coolers is going into a bucket so I can bleed off a couple of quarts before I hook it all up to flush it out a bit. Still have to check/fill the transfer case.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 01/30/14 01:42 PM

The truck was able to be driven about ten feet to the end of the driveway to get a HoseB wash yesterday. The shift linkage is off enough that it starts off in neutral (when it should be in park), so I have no reverse. I'll look at that tonight.

Catalytic converter is on order.

Still no leaks...amazing...

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: '86 Update - 01/30/14 10:05 PM

I'll try and dig up that fan spacer and bring it over saturday i was thinking bout the wiring and i pretty sure i still need to wire the thermostat to the gauge and some other small things i can't think of right now i'll make note of them as i remember. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 01/30/14 11:12 PM

Gas gauge isn't working either, LT. Also, could you please look for that oil pressure sender I need? I'll wait to change the oil until that gets here, I guess.

Truck is sitting back at normal ride height, thanks to the air gun on the torsion bar adjusters (the only way to go on those bolts, if you ask me).

I may have a small transmission oil leak at the pan, but I haven't really looked at things yet. I did spill some trans fluid when I filled through the dipstick hole since you have to pour so slowly and I got impatient and/or had to pee.

Apparently I have to physically visit a DMV office to re-register this thing. Back in 2011 when I pulled it off the road, I de-insured it, which is the proper way to go about things like this, and they are all demanding some kind of proof that I'm legit again. I can still get a three day permit to run it through emissions when I'm ready, though.

I noticed yesterday when I attempted to start it, that it took about 30 attempts to get it to run, at which time it ran just fine. The other times, it would seem to want to start at first crank, but if I continued to turn the engine over, it would just be dead. I have to cycle the key from run to start, run to start, over and over, then it gets closer to starting/running until it magically catches. Any ideas here?

When it cold starts, it seems to run better if the MAF is disconnected. Once it warmed up, I was able to plug in the MAF and after it hunted idle for a few, it settled in. Is it doing some learning or is it something else? I have another MAF I could try if someone thinks it may be giving me a hard time.

Now it's out to the driveway to try to adjust the transmission linkage so I have reverse and park. The transfer case shifter doesn't do anything, so I hope it's in 2WD for the time being...

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: '86 Update - 01/30/14 11:45 PM

the start thing is a cold start loop issue i addressed this on adams old 2.4 swap still need to do it on kevins i'll have to go over my notes if i remember right i just needed to make sure the ecu was getting feed back from the temp sensor o2 sensor and maf i remember having to run a couple extra wires then all was well. the fuel gauge issue shouldn't have anything to do with the swap could be bad sending unit in the take i can put a meter on that or even simpler like it got unplugged. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
So far my list of things to get are
wire tach
wire temp gauge
being oil sending unit
I think i'll pull the temp sensor off the 2.6 and bring it just in case the range is different.
fix the ignition issue which sounds like i need to move something from a constant to a keyed position.

oh yeah the fuel pump will only run when the ecu pulses the injectors so thats why you hear it during cranking, i've learned if you bypass the mpi relay and make it run constantly under ignition power the engine is hard to start very interesting i think haztoys and i lighty talked about this a couple years back.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 02/01/14 01:48 AM

The key cycling is a 'no run of the pump on started at the key' ...I would think... One way to deal with it is a wire at the keyed wire at the starter to relay to pump.. A diode at the ECU wire to the pump so you dont back feed the ecu
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/01/14 08:03 PM

The catalytic converter is on. BTW, a stock replacement one that bolts onto the stock exhaust downpipes fits just fine under the Montero. I used the look-up for a 1990 MM with the same 2.4, then switched to the 1986 Montero for the rear exhaust section which should be here mid-next week.

It just didn't want to start for me today though. I'll have LT wave a wand over it or whatever he does. That electrical stuff is too much for my brain.

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: '86 Update - 02/02/14 07:33 AM

got it starting today but i'm gonna need to put a diode in somewhere pretty interesting as when you key off the ignition stays hot so truck won't turn off unless you cut the wire or unplug the mpi relay <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> i ran out of time today but i'll get back in there this week i'm kinda thinking i need to add the diode in the alternator circuit. i'm overlooking something as i havn't had that problem with any of the other 2 swaps i'm not worried about it i'll figure it out. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/04/14 05:38 AM

I picked up an $8 set of metric O-rings at Harbor Freight today. Hopefully it has the correct sizes for the leaking hose on the top of the power steering pump. I moved one o-ring on the pump over from the pump that came out of the truck after I determined an attached-reservoir pump can't be used there. May have damaged it in the process.

I have a transmission leak. Initially it looked like it was from the front of the transmission oil pan, but a closer look says it's coming from directly above there, where the bellhousing joins the case. That doesn't look promising, but I'll have to check into it a bit more.

Exhaust should be here Wednesday. Provided I can get it hung under the truck, I can run it up to a muffler shop and have them complete the tubing. Tires need to be balanced (last guy to try obviously didn't know his stuff and used way too much weight). An alignment may need to be done; doesn't look quite squared up to my eye. Then emissions and the DMV hell.

I'm going to need a bigger bag of money.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/05/14 12:07 AM

The '86 still has the terrible, terrible cold start problem. It probably took in excess of 100 attempts at turning the key this afternoon before it would run. As it gets closer, it will almost start, but not catch fire. Holding the key at start does nothing to improve it, so it's still run-start,run-start, repeat.

Once it starts, it runs better without the MAF. Once it warms up, it runs much better with the MAF connected.

Sometimes the gas gauge works and sometimes it doesn't.

The power steering seems to be fixed.

I can't seem to hook up the transmission kick down cable to the bellcrank Haztoys gave me. The bellcrank is looking for an end with the barrel shaped plug on it whereas the cable I have has an end you put a bolt through. Maybe it will come to me in the night.

The consoles inside for covering the shifters needs to be figured out, but that's not an immediate need. Not sure how much this swap altered the position of the shifters from stock, but a quick glance says neither the 86 nor 87 consoles work; maybe I'm wrong, not sure.

The transmission fluid is still terrible. The fluid stinks and looks to be contaminated with water. Going to need to flush it again. I also had to add some cooling system cleaner/flush, because after the thermostat opened the other day, all the water got that rusty hue and I obviously don't want that contaminating the coolant, once it goes in.

Exhaust is delayed a day and won't be here until Thursday.

John B.
Posted By: rxinhed

Re: '86 Update - 02/09/14 09:46 PM

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The '86...will almost start, but not catch fire...


Unless you don't like the Monty, I'd figure you only want the engine to run. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/10/14 01:52 AM

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The '86...will almost start, but not catch fire...


Unless you don't like the Monty, I'd figure you only want the engine to run. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />


Some days...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/11/14 01:53 AM

I pulled the drain plug on the transmission tonight. I've never seen auto transmission fluid that looked like strawberry milk before, plus it stunk. Looks like I need to pick up a few more quarts to flush through the cooler lines after I refill from this. Straight nasty.

John B.
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: '86 Update - 02/11/14 02:29 AM

Nastysauce!!
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 02/11/14 04:45 PM

Strawberry milkshake means there's water in your transmission fluid, and the transmission was circulating the water with the fluid in order for it to have mixed together. You're going to need to do several drain & fills in order to get it all out of there, or do a transmission flush to be sure.

Hopefully the moisture was just condensation from having been sitting for a long time, but you might want to check the breather to make sure it's still intact.
Posted By: Pete_D

Re: '86 Update - 02/12/14 04:04 AM

If you have a cooler tank inside the radiator it possible it has lost it's integrity and you might want to check that as water will still find it's way in no matter how many flushes.....
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/14/14 02:16 PM

The radiator is sound. This stuff was inside the transmission. Fortunately, I have plenty of room to disconnect the line as it exits the second (final) cooler to be able to direct its output into a drain. That way I can keep pouring new fluid in through the dipstick tube and hopefully can flush much of it out. I realize it will probably take a few tries to get it clean, since there's bound to be some crud left in the valve bodies/internal passages/torque converter, but I'm determined to get it.

I adjusted the timing by ear the other day. Seems to run a bit better. Next, I'm going to drain the gas tank and put some fresh gas in it. I'll make the old riding lawn mower digest this stuff. It eats everything.

Looks like I'll be trying for exhaust completion this weekend.

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 02/15/14 09:40 PM

John, do you need to borrow my timing light?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/16/14 05:07 PM

Ryan, I have a timing light. Just not sure which wire I need to ground to set it. LT was going to point it out, but I didn't remember to ask him to tag it before I left for work the morning he was over.

I drained the gas tank and put in a few fresh gallons. Truck starts immediately now but still has a miss, hopefully just timing related. I'll probably replace the plugs just for good measure. Ordered magnetic core plug wires, cap and rotor from Rock Auto for $15, shipped.

Oil changed out to synthetic with a NAPA gold filter.

It's getting real. Reinstated insurance Friday.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 02/16/14 07:07 PM

It's the brown round connector with a single wire in it, it may or may not have a cap on it.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/17/14 05:01 AM

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It's the brown round connector with a single wire in it, it may or may not have a cap on it.


Thanks, Dude.

Printed a 3 day temporary tag and stuck it in the back window. Look out...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/19/14 05:46 AM

Of course now the battery went south and won't produce juice. For what it's worth, I use a group 27 in the Gen 1, the biggest I could figure out how to fit lazily.

I think this truck wants an 87+ transfer case shifter, if it'll still line up with the hole in the tunnel. The -'86 stick just doesn't seem to agree with the transfer case I have, or there's some other alignment issue.

Having a heck of a time getting the exhaust finished. The closest shop (I don't dare to drive it far at all) with known quality can't get me in until Friday and everybody else is too far to walk home from/back to. Two different exhaust shops near me closed within the last several months...of course.

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: '86 Update - 02/20/14 12:00 AM

Hey man i'll try and make it back over there soon to put some more time in on getting it back to road worthy.
Posted By: Lloyd Swartz

Re: '86 Update - 02/20/14 01:50 AM

I have seen the shifter issue before. If the top part of the T/case is assembled backwards that will happen...
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/20/14 02:30 AM

Big day. Progress, I guess. I put in new plugs, wires, rotor and cap. Then I drove it around the neighborhood, at least until the thermostat in the transmission cooler line (I presume there is one) opened and made the transmission too low on fluid and I had to add a quart. Fortunately, I was only a couple hundred feet from my house at that point.

After doing that and adding a bit of extra gas from my new can, I drove it (!) to QT and filled up the tank for the first time in 3 1/2 years.

I will take it up to the shop on Friday morning for the local mechanic guys to fab me up a pipe to join the catalytic converter with the rest of the new exhaust. Fortunately, that's two blocks away because it's especially loud right now and I have to take it up there at 7 a.m.

LT, I already texted you on this, but the truck magically shuts off when the key is turned off now. How weird is that? It's worked every time so far today.

Lloyd, thanks for the tip. I have at least verified that it's not in 4wd-low right now, at any rate.

Still can't locate the timing ground point.

Man, I wish I didn't have to go to the DMV to show them I have insurance again before I can get a 30-day temporary permit. All I can get is a 3-day ($1) and they only give you a couple in any given calendar year period. Already used up one... Incidentally, the truck is old enough to qualify for 'historic vehicle' plates. Wonder how much that is? It would really make people wonder what it is.

Can't wait to get the tires balanced and take it to the alignment shop. Something ain't right there, and they don't charge me to tell me what to fix before I get it aligned. Great shop (Jack's, on Thomas at about 30th St.).

Now, to get that devil's mix of transmission fluid out of there and get back to some clean stuff. That'll be my next trick. Wish I'd never started the thing before draining it. Live and learn.

Ordered a bunch of small parts related to the doors and power windows, like the pads the windows sit on, the inner weatherstrip, the little clips that connect all the linkages to the locks and latches and the plastic inserts around the inner door handles. Also got the funny washers and grommets for the little wing window because mine went bye-bye somewhere.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: '86 Update - 02/20/14 04:01 AM

Good to see her under way on her own power ... What about the seats you got from me did you install them ?... Sorry on the water in the trans I feel real bad on that <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />.. The trans was indoors "when I got it" ... And I flipped it over and it had no water in it ... But The converter was on a motor out doors but covered ...I never did look at it .. The trans is from the legendary "Mine shaft Monty" and had like 30k miles..A friend that owns the tow companying that pulled the old girl from the mine shaft says theres a photo of her hanging from a crane some where in his files and he will get it for me .. I'm doing a commando raid on Junk Yard X this weekend if you need anything.. Did you get the trans kickdown worked out ..?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 02/20/14 06:04 AM

The seats I got from you, HazToys, are the shizznit. They've been installed for years, fortunately behind tinted windows.

No problem on the transmission. It works, anyway. I have to convert the end of the transmission kick-down cable from a clamp-on end to a cable-stop-type end, where the cable stop fits into the fitting that I added to the linkage on the side of the throttle body (the OEM one for auto trans).

I'd like to get a copy of the Mine Shaft Monty photo one day.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/03/14 10:24 PM

Got the exhaust done today. I had forgotten all about Loper's, which is right down the street from my house. The guy had it done in under a half hour. Tucked it up under there real nice, too. It's still not exactly quiet...but there are no leaks.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/05/14 03:41 AM

Pulled the driver's side inner door panel off today to re-connect the exterior door handle to the rod that actually unlatches the door. Replacement part to hold the rod on there is on order. Greased the inner workings of the power window mechanism, cleaned the contacts on the window switches and put the panel with its speaker back on.

Better than that, I decided to take the MAF out of the air cleaner and look at it compared to the other one I have. They both have prominent numbers printed on them, so it started dawning on me that because the numbers, as well as the style of the component design, were different, that I may have a model-incorrect piece in there. Yep. I looked at photos on Rock Auto's web site for replacement MAF's (ex-pen-sive!) and saw that I had the wrong one in the air can I was using. Switched them and it runs much better. One step closer.

John B.
Posted By: justice

Re: '86 Update - 03/05/14 06:02 AM

Save some paint money for the Montero Mural... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/05/14 01:36 PM

No kidding, Justice. The wall is still blank. Incidentally, this truck needs a rear bumper. Are you still making them? Has a 2" BL on it...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/07/14 11:23 PM

I've been driving the truck to work all this week. It does not want to start in the mornings and takes twenty or thirty tries before it will run. After it's warm, and even after sitting for hours it starts right away (it sits in the sun).

I think the vibration I'm getting so much of is from the lack of proper transmission or transfer case mounts. The engine itself is pretty smooth, but it has a resonant vibration all through the vehicle while driving. I know there is currently only the one mount under the transmission and no roll stopper or other mount anywhere else. Not sure how I will be able to adapt from the body and frame that had the old three speed with different mount points to where the KM-148 now lives, but it apparently needs something.

I'm heading to Auto Zone to see if their assortment of cable stops has a size that will allow me to finish up the transmission kick-down. I also need to adjust the linkage slightly.

Since there haven't been any wiring connections made to the transmission or transfer case, this transmission will not shift into O/D, but it works just fine otherwise. No apparent damage from having water in it in the past.

And I still can't move the transfer case shifter, so I've just left that alone. Can't figure out how to get center consoles in place yet. They just don't fit, but I haven't really looked at it yet.

I forgot how different it is driving a SWB. Parking, u-turns and backing up are so easy. Of course the short wheelbase makes for a hobby-horse ride, but that's part of the fun...right?

LordTrunks, you left your multimeter in the truck, in case you were looking for it.

John B.
Posted By: justice

Re: '86 Update - 03/08/14 05:14 AM

Johnny, I can't do the Gen 1 bumpers right now, since I don't have a gen 1 anymore to use as a jig...If you ever want to bring it over though, or if I come up that way I can get the dimensions and make one easy..The gen 1 SWB rear is the easiest to make. The place I work at now, we do custom medical air systems and we fab all the frame work, now that I've been there for a while I can go in on the weekends to work on personal stuff.

I will be making a (bad<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />) Gen 2/2.5 one real soon though. Looking forward to getting back into fabbing stuff.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/08/14 03:49 PM

Justice, I'd say you hit a home run with the Gen 2 rear bumper I got off the truck you sold me. That thing is solid.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/11/14 10:56 AM

After further examination, my thinking on the vibration issues the '86 is having are a result of the oil pan modification we had to do to get the 2.4 to fit. It appears that the oil pan is resting on the front differential. My guess is that the only way to minimize this at this point is to jack the engine up a little and try to get some cushioning between the two, like some rubber sheeting or something.

The oil pan "should" have been sectioned and welded properly, I guess. I don't think it would be proper to actually try to raise the mounting position of the engine by modifying the mounts themselves.

I'll be trying to get this through emissions soon, even though I still haven't been able to set the timing.

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: '86 Update - 03/11/14 03:08 PM

If the oil pan is touching, you need to make some sort of permanent modification to fix it, or you're going to end up with a hole worn through your oil pan. Some shims under the engine mounts might give you just enough clearance. Is there enough room to hammer some clearance into the pan if you jack the engine up?

I suppose you could always just leave it as-is and wait for it to wear through, then pull the oil pan off and section it properly.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 03/11/14 05:32 PM

I spaced my 2.4 under the motor mounts, gave me a little better driveshaft angle too.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/12/14 02:43 AM

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I spaced my 2.4 under the motor mounts, gave me a little better driveshaft angle too.


This is good to know.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/13/14 01:43 PM

So the next question is what to use under the motor mounts to space them. Washers? And how far? 1/4"? 1/2"?

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 03/13/14 06:05 PM

once i used a bandsaw to cut the bottom plates off an old motor mount, hack saw would work if you had a vice to hold the mount. another two times i made an "engine adapter" plate with spacer built in. all different swaps though, i don't know how much rise you need.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/22/14 06:24 PM

Good news, the 'Shaker Bucket' has passed emissions. It failed the first time through by being a touch high on NOX, so I drove it back home and pulled some timing, then it sailed right through. I renewed the registration and ordered a historic vehicle plate (+$25) just for the heck of it.

LT, if you need a second vehicle, you can keep the '86 for a while...

Now the focus can shift...to the Type R...it's coming up on turbo time.

John B.
Posted By: wrenchwench

Re: '86 Update - 03/22/14 06:28 PM

awesome!
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 03/22/14 09:53 PM

Quote

LT, if you need a second vehicle, you can keep the '86 for a while...

Now the focus can shift...to the Type R...it's coming up on turbo time.

John B.


Funny i just tried to let him borrow my '88, which he declined <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Hopefully Kevin will take it tomorrow until i get moved.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 03/27/14 01:54 AM

Feels good to actually have a plate on the '86 that's current. Those 'Historic Vehicle' plates are made with some real metal, too, just like the old style with raised and painted letters instead of those laser-etched ones for all the other plates (or whatever they are).

Ordered a fan spacer to get the fan closer to the radiator before I put the shroud on. Even without either of those, the temp never got close to half way, and it's been close to 90 lately here.

HoseB put the back seat back in and cleaned up the interior today. He is the eventual target buyer, so I'm letting him borrow it for work this week to remind him of how fun it is...hint, hint.

I guess I'll try the spacer idea under the motor mounts. Eventually it's going to need a/c, and that really just involves having a shop make two new hoses, putting in a new receiver-dryer and orifice tube and converting the set-up to R-134a.

Truck is running pretty good, for which I'm happy and grateful for all the help along the way.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 10/03/14 02:45 AM

Passenger side front half shaft ('86) spit the large ball bearings out last week and the boots have been torn and neglected for years. Time for some old/new half shafts and new boots. The boots will be here Friday, 10/3/14, along with parts to basically re-do the front suspension and steering, all the while keeping it totally Gen 1 stock.

I should get that $155 20-ton shop press, shouldn't I? I mean I'll need it for the upper ball joints and probably the front bushing in the lower control arm. Could've used it for the bushings in the rear trailing arms of the '95, too, further reducing the cost-benefit scale.

Just keeping you all in the loopz.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 10/03/14 02:51 AM

When can I give you the shafts? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> If you're going to Oktoberfest in Flagstaff this SAturday i'll bring them up the hill.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 10/03/14 02:54 AM

I'll be home this weekend, like most. Any way to hand them off to someone else so I can pick them up and get to work on them?

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 10/03/14 04:42 AM

Maybe i'll stop by on my way home.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 10/03/14 05:43 AM

Cool!

John B.
Posted By: monte3

Re: '86 Update - 10/03/14 03:56 PM

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When can I give you the shafts?


They say that Shaft is a bad mother.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mrt.gif" alt="" />

Good luck JB, at least it's no longer triple digits <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 10/06/14 01:55 PM

Rock Auto shorted me one boot for the front outer half shaft, so they're shipping another out. Guess that ended up being O.K. since I haven't retrieved the shafts themselves yet.

On another note, we learned to pay better attention to which parts go on different models. A 2WD truck oil pan does not fit where a Montero oil pan does. This necessitated a trip to Auto Zone for a new gasket and a dig through the parts pile to locate the correct oil pick up. I'll let your brain paint the picture...

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 10/06/14 03:19 PM

We ended up coming back into town on the east end (right by my house), I'll get those CVs over...
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/26/14 03:29 PM

Well, here I am back in this thread again, typing for fun and amusement while waiting for the sun to come up on a chilly Phoenix day so I can get outside and work on my neighbor Jorge's '86 SWB 5-speed. I can't even remember how much I've already written about this one, so...

We picked up this project in west Phoenix earlier this year in summer from an old guy who'd had it sitting for about 6 years. There was an engine in it, but it was half taken apart under the hood and was rusty and dirt-filled. He'd finally sourced a running 2.6 out of a later model D-50 5-speed and he included that. Interior was dusty but in good shape, the exterior sunfaded and kids had played on top of it, denting the hood and roof a bit.

We had it towed home and proceeded to sort through the parts in the back and cleaned up the interior over an afternoon while we talked about what was likely to need to be done to get it running. Eventually we pulled the old engine and set it aside in favor of the 'newer' one. Ordered a non-jet valve Clearwater head with mechanical rockers and set that on the cleaned up block with a Fel-Pro turbo gasket, new head bolts and reamed out threads. We had to clean the heck out of the block due to poor cooling system maintenance and replaced all the freeze plugs. New water pump, new little cooling/heater hoses. Lots of spray paint. Trips to junkyards to replace the thermovalve and other actuators took place. Used my clean three row radiator with a new cap. Got a rebuilt carb from Guaranteed Carburetors. Replaced the gas tank since the old one had about an inch of slime on the bottom and a hole rusted through the top. Cleaned out the fuel lines and put on a new fuel filler hose.

Yesterday, on Christmas morning, we turned the key and it started right up. I just have to lay in the emissions hoses and hook up the throttle cable, set the timing and cap off a couple of unused vacuum lines. Needs one more emissions solenoid over on the driver's side fender well since I missed that it had a connection snapped off. There was some oil leakage and coolant weeping out of at least one of the freeze plugs I put in (that chaps my hide, since they're new), but I had to leave to go do the family thing. Jorge looked it over some for the rest of the day and did something or other to his '89, so he can probably fill in some more info on what needs to be done to get everything (hopefully) ready for the AZ Crew run tomorrow.

With its P225/75 tires on stock wheels, it's not going rock crawling, but with the KYB gas-a-just shocks, new leaf spring bushings and sway bar bushings, at least the suspension is up to trail running. It has a new clutch, throw-out and pilot bearing, as well as a new rear main seal, but since we've never driven it, there's just a leap of faith with the condition of the 5 speed trans.

We'll see. It's been fun.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 12/26/14 05:04 PM

Not that it matters but i think i may have a Gen 1 4cyl fuel tank out back, and hopefully i'll have a complete drivetrain up for grabs soon.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/27/14 12:52 AM

I may well eventually need that gas tank, Toasty.

Got the vacuum lines sorted out (most of them) and found the carb wiring harness that I had with the old carb parts. Now just need to reseal the valve cover (gasket leaking at the back), set timing and figure out the air cleaner vacuum lines.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 Update - 12/27/14 02:50 AM

It's yours dude <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/27/14 03:50 AM

It's giving us clogged gas filter symptoms. Going to change it out again. It runs for a bit then stops, but will restart after cranking. Frustrating little sucker.

John B.
Posted By: monte3

Re: '86 Update - 12/27/14 06:39 PM

The cake icon is up, so that means only one thing... Happy Birthday Johnny!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/28/14 03:37 AM

Yeah, it's my birthday. At least I got to go wheeling today.

When we got back I started that '86 right up and drove it down the block, turned around and headed back, and just like clockwork, it shut off as it warmed up. Until then it ran perfectly. Sum-ting-wong. I followed the emissions hose hook-up under the hood to a 'T,' but something is interfering as the temp comes up to just kill it completely. I need a fresh set of eyes on this thing, as I'm cross-eyed thinking about it.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/28/14 12:07 PM

After 7 hours of eye-uncrossing sleep, I have a thought. For the uninitiated in how the 85-86 Montero carb is set up, picture this: The choke is non-electric. It is what I call a water choke. Coolant flows through two small hoses, one into and one out of a fitting on the choke housing itself. One of those hoses leads from the engine and the other one leads to the 87+ fitting on the carb base housing. The idea is that as coolant warms up, the choke should open. However, I seem to remember an anomaly on the Clearwater head that we installed. I think they eliminated the coolant passage that would complete the loop, stopping coolant from passing through both the choke and the carb base as well.

Hmmmm...I guess I'm going to have to first look at the choke plate itself to see if it ever opens. If it doesn't, this could be it. The downside is that without some major mod, there's no way to make it function as it should. Keep in mind Jorge has a lot of money tied up in this set-up between the Clearwater head and the rebuilt carb and there's going to be a sad face if some other remedy is suggested like dumping the whole set-up for something completely different.

Also, this truck HAS to pass emissions, so there's that. We want to make this work, but I can't think of how just yet.

Unless we ran the heater hoses (somehow) as an inlet/outlet, just though the choke fittings and reconnected the little hose back to the carb base, 87+ style. Wait, how about just the return/outlet of the choke water line connected to the heater return line with a tee...? Something could work.

That is, if this is what's wrong. Just typing to let ideas come to my brain, since it's 4:05 a.m. and I'm not about to go out and try it in the dark.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 Update - 12/28/14 04:52 PM

I moved the Q & A on this over to Tech so I could get more eyes on it.

Thanks Alpha Male for the help this morning.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/01/15 04:04 PM

Gotta get the '95 back in the game. I'm tired of riding along. Coolant pours out somewhere up front as soon as you dump it in the radiator. Pa_Jero looked at it with me and neither one of us could see where it was coming from. Today's the day to find it. Thanks again to AlphaMale for the inspiring leads on what to aim for and for stopping by with even more parts last night.

I'll get on it as soon as I shoot off the resume that was requested by a promising job lead in my former field of work. That's a touch more important.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/04/15 05:01 PM

Because of my issues with dealing with cold lately, we didn't get as far as I would have liked, but we did get as far as the last bolt that still needs to come out to get the a/c bracket/alternator bracket off of the accessory bracket on the front. as soon as those both come off, I'll be able to remove the timing covers and should be able to see more. Luckily, warmer weather is returning.

In the meantime, we are going to look at the Craigslist '94 SR with the salvage title to figure out what is up with it. Jorge went to look at it yesterday, but he wants me to go back with him. The couple that is selling it are car flippers, so they don't know the history on it. Anybody have a Carfax subscription?

Also, we are going to a secret (I'll spill it later) place to get some parts off a '96 SR. Jorge needs trailing arms and springs for his '89 and Pa_Jero needs mirrors. We may get other stuff, too. If you need anything Gen 2, text me ASAP.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/05/15 12:35 AM

I meant to say the '96 SR that WAS in Craigslist, not '94. And I say 'was' because somebody bought it last night.

We went to the Pick A Part in Tolleson today. The '96 SR they had there hadn't been touched by anyone. I sent out a bunch of texts and got a lot of responses. I'll be tallying everyone's total up and letting them know what the parts cost later, but we got mirrors for Pa_Jero, a speedometer cluster for Monte3, a center gauge cluster for Toasty, belt moldings, an EGR tube and brown center vent section parts for RyanY and a driver's side door lock actuator, hazard switch and a driveshaft for myself.

Originally Jorge wanted rear trailing arms and the SR springs, but after we found the bolts on the rear of the trailing arms where they connect to the axle too tight to remove, Jorge swung a deal for the locker, pump, trailing arms and springs instead. We even got the switch, just for good measure.

I also managed to grab a letter 'R' for the driver's side of my '95 to replace the one that looks like a 'P' since part of the letter broke off.

Pa_Jero, Jorge thought of you and grabbed an extra spare tire holder bolt, too.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/05/15 02:33 AM

Good haul guys <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: monte3

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/05/15 03:07 PM

Thanks JB, and I'll see you this Friday! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: ric3box

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/05/15 03:28 PM

If you're talking about the green one on craigslist with 155k, that car had an odometer rollback.

Same VIN:

264k miles
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/05/15 04:34 PM

This was a blue one. From the pictures, it had a 2" body lift and BFG A/T tires on some black 15x8 steel wheels. Can't say as I have seen it around before.

John B.
Posted By: ric3box

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/06/15 03:12 PM

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This was a blue one. From the pictures, it had a 2" body lift and BFG A/T tires on some black 15x8 steel wheels. Can't say as I have seen it around before.

John B.


Yes, blue, sorry. Same one. A friend called the owner and got the VIN. It had odometer rollback. It's the same truck in the link I posted above.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/08/15 03:45 AM

Looks like wrenchfest #1 for 2015 is off for this weekend for me. I'm going to order still more parts and have decided to go with a new set of 3mm lifters for the '95 as well as a few other parts I was overlooking or underspending on, like a quality timing belt tensioner.

Instead, I'll be busy with a professional matter on Friday morning, then working on getting Jorge's SR axle ready to install in his '89. I want that in and ready to test by Sunday at the latest. Why so long, you ask? Because we clean and paint everything around here, and I want to make sure the brakes are up to par with new pads and potentially a resurface on the rotors. We may have to depend on ourselves to get the driveshaft to connect to the pinion flange since Toasty may be off camping with the wife; not sure if we can just connect it up or some modification may be necessary (the driveshaft, not Toasty and his wife, you sickos).

Jorge had me drive to the junkyard last Sunday and I was testing the brakes on the off-ramp at 83rd Ave because he had said the brakes were locking up. Well, at least the front driver's side did, so there's work to be done there. Gotta get those pins cleaned up, rotors checked and new, quality pads put in. May as well adjust those wheel bearings, too, which means machining the new hub socket I bought to replace the old one that got misplaced (thanks HoseB). We've got quite the selection of emery cloth to rough up the rotors and get any glaze off them as well.

Too many projects!

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/11/15 04:32 AM

We redid the front brakes on the '89 today and it seems to be much better. The old pads were thick but looked like a sugar cookie with surface cracks, etc. We bedded in the new pads and all seems well there. Used plenty of red goop to calm down the squeals and used brake cleaner on the pins and rotors, emery clothed the same, then cleaned them again before greasing those pins.

We're currently half done with the axle swap, with the old one out and the new one staring at us. Interestingly, because this is the first V-6 axle I've taken out, it's not nearly as cheesy as the 4-cylinder truck's. It almost appears to be based on a similar housing, narrower, with drum brakes and without the locker, but pretty stout.

It looks like someone upgraded the trailing arms in the past. They're not exactly the same as the ones from the 96, but very close. They may be up for sale/grabs soon, but it would be a good idea to plan on replacing the four bushings in the rear of the arms before installing them.

The 96 springs are shorter than the ones we took out. This surprised me. The wire on the 96 springs looks fatter, and I know they're supposed to be progressive, so we'll see what we end up with. The old one sacked quite a bit when the truck was loaded with any kind of weight. Thanks to Toasty for the flange with the extra holes in it. We needed that to connect the driveshaft from the '89 to the axle (first thing we checked). We'll have an undrilled flange to give back.

Back to work, slackers.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Shifting Back Over to the '95 - 01/11/15 06:29 PM

We took our time and finished up everything except connecting/wiring the air pump and replacing the brake pads. We figured we'd let the old brake pads scrub the rust off the rotors before doing the brakes on it.

No real issues getting everything back in. Driveshaft length was perfect, parking brake cable tucked up just fine even though it's longer than a SWB would normally have. Of course we used the front trailing arm bushings from the SWB and I kept the Gen 2 bushings for my SR.

I measured the spring wire thickness with my caliper and the SR springs are about 2-2.5mm thicker. Sure enough, the rear of the truck sits a bit higher even though the unladen height of the springs is less. We'll throw a few cranks of the torsion bars in to level it out a touch this afternoon.

You have to look closely to tell that the track width is greater with the SR axle. I was sure it would be more apparent, but it's not really obnoxious at all. Oh, and we left the rear stabilizer bar out. I even showed Jorge to grease the lower spring perches so they don't squeak. We had previously bled the brakes so we didn't have to go very far with that to get clean fluid out of the rear bleeder screws. Took about a quart of gear lube to replace what I spilled when I changed out the pinion flange.

I personally haven't driven it yet, but I will today and we'll report back with another exciting update I'm sure you all will race to your screens to read. Man, we have to get a trailer over here to get rid of all this scrap metal!

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

The '96 Axle in the '89 SWB - 01/12/15 03:47 AM

OMG, if you haven't done this swap, DO IT. First off the springs. The ride is soooo much better with these. It doesn't sag in the back nearly as much and it feels like a Cadillac going over bumps, large and small.

The brakes freaking ROCK. We didn't even swap out the pads from the ones that came from the junkyard. The rotors look good, but they were rusty, so we left the old pads in to scrub, and they did that and more. We tested around on surface streets, then out on the highway on exit ramps. Night and day difference.

If you have a Gen 1, get the springs, however you can. If you can get the axle, do it, as you'd get the stronger trailing arms (as stated before, I think this one was already upgraded), the springs, the locker and man-o-man, the brakes. Great mod, and thanks for the help and advice, everybody. World of difference.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: The '96 Axle in the '89 SWB - 01/12/15 05:37 AM

Ummm, is this the right Aussie locker for this '89 V-6?

Aussie Locker - Doesn't Say It Applies To An '89 V-6

Because, maybe, Jorge might be into this...

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: The '96 Axle in the '89 SWB - 01/12/15 10:11 AM

It'll work for all gen 1 V6's auto or Manual tranny diffs. here's a little fun fact for you guys all the US made aussie lockers are splined from axles i gave them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> So as your sticking your shaft in that diff remember my shaft was in there first <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: The '96 Axle in the '89 SWB - 01/12/15 10:32 AM

If anyone has questions on which diff they have feel free to shoot me a pm i'll give you some instructions on how to find out what diff your truck has. toasty has found that not all Gen 2 auto 3.0 V6 have the small 4 cyl diff and axles so if you own one of these and want a locker up front there maybe some hope without having to swap a diff.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: The '96 Axle in the '89 SWB - 01/18/15 04:38 PM

We still haven't hooked up the locker pump in Jorge's '89. Hopefully today. He found a cool switch at Radio shack with an always-on LED in it that glows green when off and red when on that we'll use.

We did finally get the bump stops trimmed and the front end raised up to level it out. Looks much better than the annoying nose-down look it had, especially after the '96 springs went in.

Jorge bought himself a rockin' stereo set-up with a Sony head unit with Bluetooth. I can't believe how feature packed stereos have become for the price paid, $129 gets you a LOT more than ten years ago. Crutchfield helps out by including adapters and stuff, so we're hoping the previous owner didn't hack into the old harness.

He also got some new 6.5" speakers for the mid panel, 3.5" for the dash and a pair of 1" tweeters for up front somewhere. For some low end he piled on a Bazooka that'll sit on the driver's side wheel well in the back, out of the way. Those things are pretty cool; I have one in my '95, and as long as you don't let them get loose and flop around, they work great.

So, there's more work to be done, again. He did make himself a rule, that being he can't buy anything else until he sells his Honda Accord. Then he's looking at some Mickey Thompson aluminum wheels and Firestone Destination M/T's in 33x12.5-15. That's like $2K. Ug, glad I don't have to do that again for a while.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: The '96 Axle in the '89 SWB - 01/28/15 05:43 AM

O.K., so Jorge hasn't sold his Accord yet. That didn't stop him from going to Space Age paint and buying some color-correct black for (WTF?) painting the underbody with his new HVLP gun from Harbor Freight. He hasn't started anything yet, though, since I told him he still needs another regulator at the gun as well as a filter/drier before his last hose. He also has to find a place to paint, so there's that.

I ordered him a replacement/used ECU for his '86 today, Federal emissions-specific, manual transmission-specific, all based on a hunch. Hunch confirmed tonight when I pulled his old ECU and extracted the circuit board. Upon careful examination with my half-century old eyes, I could see a tiny river of contamination sluicing across several circuit paths in the middle of the board. Score!, at least as long as the ECU that Lordtrunks linked us to is good (a $55 gamble). This is my first contaminated board out of all the Monteros I've worked on, so I figure the odds be at least 50/50 on the replacement. A bad ECU explains everything we'd been seeing on this truck, as explained ad nauseum, in previous posts. I'll keep you posted, or at least bored.

Oh, and Jorge's stereo in his '89 rocks the house and his locker works as advertised.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

'86 SWB Grrrr...Pi$$ing Me Off! - 01/31/15 05:04 AM

New used ECU. Set timing. Set idle mixture screw at two turns out from full seat. The truck idles at like 2K rpm and I can't kick it down (might be linkage-related, it was dark). Then it runs out of fuel and dies. Still haven't figured out where the air bubbles in the fuel line are coming from, apparently there is a coolant leak between the back of the head and the block on the passenger side (it's not from any of the heater hoses or the coolant tube) and the rear brake hard line off the frame side will not seal to the flex line, meaning all the brake fluid leaks out after a day or two.

Why is this thing being such a B!tch?

Sorry, just venting. Been sick all week, too.

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: '86 SWB Grrrr...Pi$$ing Me Off! - 01/31/15 12:20 PM

you may need to cap off each end of fuel lines then on one end pump a bit of air in to pressurize the line, harbor freight has some hand vacuum pumps that will work for this they have a gauge on them as well so you can see if its one of the hardlines leaking and if so you can take soapy water in a spray bottle and soak down the lines and you should find the hole pretty quick.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: '86 SWB Grrrr...Pi$$ing Me Off! - 01/31/15 07:45 PM

The brake line will likely need to be reflared (double flare)
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: '86 SWB Grrrr...Pi$$ing Me Off! - 02/01/15 03:21 AM

I have both a Mighty Vac and a double flare tool. Just have to kick this flu crap.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/16/15 01:33 AM

Newest development on the homefront: In exchange for my substandard tile work at Lordtrunk's house, he's going to fix my '86's woes, or at least enough of them that it runs again.

For those who aren't up to speed on that vehicles status, HoseB was driving it one day when a loose wiring harness fell off its precarious perch on the firewall and made solid contact with the red-hot exhaust manifold, frying and obliterating the color on the wires and making the engine immediately quit running.

I was able to figure out that 8 of the wires controlled the individual fuel injectors, and I "think" I got those wired back up correctly. The other four wires come from the distributor and make a color change at the connector that was melted worse than the Wicked Witch of the West, plus they don't appear in any electrical breakout that I have. Add to that the hard cold starting problem the engine has, and it becomes difficult for this caveman to figure out if I have the wires remotely close to being correct.

Enter The Wizard of Wires, Lordtrunks. Uh, unfortunately, I have a list of things for you to get to, my friend. Looks like I'm finishing up that tile work in your living room, too.

John B.
Posted By: IncorpoRatedX

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/16/15 09:54 PM

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Newest development on the homefront: In exchange for my substandard tile work at Lordtrunk's house, he's going to fix my '86's woes, or at least enough of them that it runs again.

For those who aren't up to speed on that vehicles status, HoseB was driving it one day when a loose wiring harness fell off its precarious perch on the firewall and made solid contact with the red-hot exhaust manifold, frying and obliterating the color on the wires and making the engine immediately quit running.

I was able to figure out that 8 of the wires controlled the individual fuel injectors, and I "think" I got those wired back up correctly. The other four wires come from the distributor and make a color change at the connector that was melted worse than the Wicked Witch of the West, plus they don't appear in any electrical breakout that I have. Add to that the hard cold starting problem the engine has, and it becomes difficult for this caveman to figure out if I have the wires remotely close to being correct.

Enter The Wizard of Wires, Lordtrunks. Uh, unfortunately, I have a list of things for you to get to, my friend. Looks like I'm finishing up that tile work in your living room, too.

John B.


You trade tile work for wrench time?? Drop that other 86 off at my place (or ill come get it) and I'll put an old school mikuni on it for ya! My bathroom is gutted and needs new tile. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: PA_JERO

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/16/15 10:29 PM

<img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

You guys are awesome, trading tile work for wrench work. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/17/15 01:08 AM

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My bathroom is gutted and needs new tile. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


We can talk about it. I'd rather get my '95 running than set tile so Jorge gets his running, though.

Are you thinking floors, walls and counters?

John B.
Posted By: IncorpoRatedX

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/17/15 04:52 PM

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My bathroom is gutted and needs new tile. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


We can talk about it. I'd rather get my '95 running than set tile so Jorge gets his running, though.

Are you thinking floors, walls and counters?

John B.



Guest house bathroom needs floors (8x6 room) and shower walls done. I'd be happy to do the work on the 95, that engine is my best friend. smile
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/18/15 05:00 AM

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I'd be happy to do the work on the 95, that engine is my best friend. smile


Count on it. Let's drink beer and plot this.

John B.
Posted By: IncorpoRatedX

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/19/15 06:52 PM

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I'd be happy to do the work on the 95, that engine is my best friend. smile


Count on it. Let's drink beer and plot this.

John B.


But John, I don't drink. I'll have a bowl of cereal while you drink a beer. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 02/20/15 05:55 AM

Fine. I shall beer drink and you can tell me how you want this bathroom to turn out.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 04/13/15 01:08 PM

LT has my '86 at his compound in the Far East. He sent me a text last night detailing some damage to my ECU (it uses a '90 ECU, not sure which one yet) that will likely require us to source a newer one. It also needs a working reverse safety switch. So there's that.

The final batch of parts are on order for my '95, including an Aisin water pump (both halves) and an OEM timing belt tensioner. I went ahead and got a Speedy Sleeve for the crankshaft in case there are scratches that a new (Timken) seal won't take care of. Monte3 had his mechanic take two swings at it but it wouldn't ever seal up for him, so it has been leaking since the last timing belt change. As soon as IncorporatedX can fit it in to his schedule, I'd like to get this truck over there so he can begin the process of finally getting it back on the road. I already have new lifters and valve stem seals waiting for it; it's quite an impressive collection of parts!

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 04/13/15 04:57 PM

IncorporatedX gave me an early MPI ECU for a spare for my '89 Van. It runs the van, if it has the correct plugs for your truck you can borrow it to make it a runner until you have your old one rebuilt (Mr.X knows a guy that might be his brother)
Posted By: IncorpoRatedX

Re: Now It's Back To My '86...The 2.4 Saga - 04/13/15 05:06 PM

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IncorporatedX gave me an early MPI ECU for a spare for my '89 Van. It runs the van, if it has the correct plugs for your truck you can borrow it to make it a runner until you have your old one rebuilt (Mr.X knows a guy that might be his brother)


yup, have pat give that ecu a try and i'll send some pics of the damage to my bro, if he can't fix it, you'll just be better off without it.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Jorge's '86 RUNS! - 06/12/15 06:52 AM

Jorge's '86 Montero almost logged a year before it got to run the mean streets of our neighborhood. Jorge decided to have his Dad's mech friend look at it and he determined that the gas tank was full of crud, cleaned it out, fixed a brake line leak and charged him $120. It runs. It runs really well. I have not driven a 5-speed SWB in a long time, and I can say that's it's a lot of fun.

It's going onto the trail on Sunday. Anybody want to do that trail out past Superior...what's it called...out at Oak Flat campground? Jorge will be in his locked '89 SWB on 31's and I'll show him what's up in his open/open '86 5-speed on 33's. Let's get some!

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Jorge's '86 RUNS! - 06/28/15 01:59 PM

Well, last weekend we decided it would be a good idea to take Jorge's '86 on a run, backed up by his '89 in case parts fell off. We headed up to Prescott, then south on the Senator Highway. First, the bushing in the idler arm fell out completely, then I took a wrong turn, then the exhaust on the ol' '86 got so hot it started glowing red and wouldn't stay running. Next thing you know, we had to leave it at the north end of Lake Pleasant until Monday after work. We're still so pissed at that thing we don't even want to look at it to figure it out.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, LordTrunks delivered my super-deluxe '86 back to me after extensive rework action. Yesterday, in glorious late June weather in the driveway, the water pump was removed and re-gasketed, since its gasket decided to blow out on LT during its highway shake-down run. Since this is the 2.4 truck, the timing belt has to come off, etc, so it's not as easy as it sounds. But it's up and going again, and the saga continues. More repairing will ensue.

To be continued...

John B.
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: Jorge's '86 RUNS! - 06/28/15 08:34 PM

was it just the gasket leaking or was there a o ring leaking?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Jorge's '86 RUNS! - 06/29/15 07:56 AM

It was the gasket. Seems to me that maybe the water pump bolts weren't quite tight...that would be on me...

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: Jorge's '86 RUNS! - 06/29/15 04:27 PM

Awesome, sucky about Jorge's rig though.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: Jorge's '86 RUNS! - 06/30/15 10:10 AM

On the 2.4 the ALT and P/S bracket go under one bolt on the water pump ...You have to get them in the right order (W/P-ALT-P/S..) or the gasket will leak.. Been there done that.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

Two times myself...
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: Jorge's '86 RUNS! - 07/01/15 02:50 AM

I had and have the brackets on in that order. No worries. Nothing got hurt and I'm only out a tube of Permatex that I needed anyway. Had a new gasket in 'inventory.'

It's got a bottle of Prestone Super Flush in it with plain water for a few days before I flush it and throw in some coolant and distilled water.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Multi-Vehicle Updates - 07/23/15 06:54 AM

Recent updates from the Mitsubishi Central Phoenix Corral:

My 86: The headliner keeps falling down on top of me and needs to be removed and replaced. It's annoying. Aside from that, the cooling system repair worked great and it runs fine. Pa_Jero stopped by Sunday and gave Jorge and I a live demo on how to re-boot CV's, since neither of us had ever done it and we have more of them to do in the near future. The ones that got new boots are going into this 86 when it gets torn down for a front end rebuild, for which I have all the parts ready.

My 95 is currently visiting Mesa over at IncorporatedX's facility. Top-secret repairs and maintenance will be undertaken to put it back on the road for the next trouble-free 60,000 miles!

My 87...no updates. It sleeps. It watches. It waits.

Jorge's 83 Power Ram. This needs one a/c hose to be fabricated, for which I have located an appropriate shop, then a flush, vacuum and refill should get the a/c back to running. Aside from some interior work, this truck is downright excellent. I took the choke plate back off, since it runs fine without it and it smokes like a chimney with it on until fully warmed up.

Jorge's 86 went wheeling, that is, until it started making the exhaust cherry red and we had to stop every few miles to let it cool off before we could drive it any further. At first, I thought it had every sign of a plugged exhaust, but today IncorporatedX suggested broken springs in the distributor advance mechanism had given him the same results on another Mitsu vehicle. Removing the funky 86 exhaust manifold revealed no blockages, and that was the only part left connected to the engine after we removed the pre-cat that WAS plugged, without improvement. Jury-rigged compressor and fan made the a/c on this truck work great. Needs a new catalytic converter to pass emissions. The window tint also sucks badly and needs to be redone. We have a guy for that.

Jorge's 89. Flunked emissions. NOX was W-A-Y high. No vacuum leaks that we can find. May need a new catalytic converter and O-2 sensor for starters. All other systems are fine and he drives it daily.

Updated? Good.

John B.
Posted By: IncorpoRatedX

Re: Multi-Vehicle Updates - 07/23/15 10:15 PM

just to clarify, my springs had gone weak, limp as they say. Couldnt keep up anymore. I've not broken any yet, and that's the only distributor i've ever had springs fail in, but a new distributor fixed it right up. For me the retarding spring had gone weak and this caused the vaccum diaphram to pull the advance really easily but also made it hard to keep it constant. The timing was bouncing all over the place when holding the engine at a constant RPM to create some engine vaccum.

If any of you ever experience this out on the trail, to get myself home that day; I unhooked the vaccum advance, then set the timing around 5*-10* advanced, wherever it will run decently and not get too hot either city or highway driving, whichever you need to do. I drove a 2.6 from bellingham washington to phoenix like that. (had trouble getting that specific distributor on the west coast that week).
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/05/15 01:11 PM

As I start on the front end rebuild on my 86, I noticed after I removed the little Phillips screws that hold the front wheel bearing retainers that the retainers have twelve holes. I hadn't yet modified my socket I bought from Auto Zone, so I grabbed it to check to make sure I bought the right size. To my surprise, all six of the socket's lugs fit directly in the bearing retainers, one lug in every other hole, so I don't have to grind down the socket. This isn't what I remember seeing in the past, but whatever, it saves me a step.

Tonight I plan the pull the hubs and remove the brake discs and remove the bearing races. I'm going so far as to replace the races and bearings as well as the warped discs (the old discs have quite the ridge on the outside edge and are most probably past wear limit).

In the days to come I'll pull the spindles out, trash the old half shafts, which are torn to shreds, pull the a-arms and yank all the old steering stuff out. I still am looking at getting that 20-ton press from Harbor Freight...it's tempting and will be a lot more convenient than running the upper arms in to a shop to press the upper ball joints in/out.

Looking forward to seeing how this thing rides/steers/tracks when it's done. The only things new to me on this particular job are the upper a-arm shafts and pressing in/out of the ball joints. I've done everything else before.

John B.
Posted By: IncorpoRatedX

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/05/15 04:31 PM

dont forget to torque the control arms once the truck is on the ground to prevent pre-load and bind. things im sure you know, but always a helpful reminder <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: lordtrunks

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/05/15 07:27 PM

Every shop loves a pressed fruit bowl <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/06/15 04:02 AM

Of course there's always something I overlook. The socket I referenced above fits the ring with holes in it that fits ON TOP OF the bearing retainer. So after I fished that thing out, I saw that I needed to grind off four of six of the ears on my socket, which I did, then unscrewed the bearing retainer cap-things.

Got the hubs off, rotors unbolted from the hubs and everything reasonably cleaned up. Can't locate my punch set to drive out the old races though. Somebody probably knows where they are at...I don't. Spindles look good. Maybe I'll shoot for trying to get those off tomorrow so I can pull out those half shafts and throw them in the garbage. If I can get the races out of the hubs, I'll seat the new ones and pack (no jokes, LT) the new bearings and bag them for later reassembly. The new rotors showed up today, so I can bolt them on, too.

Incorporated, thanks for the reminder about tightening things while it's on the ground. I've forgotten that before. I've forgotten a lot of things.

While I'm on the subject, I need the manifolds for the a/c compressor that goes on the 1990 Max 2.4 engine in this '86. They attach to the compressor with one bolt each (the Montero's mount with two bolts) and allow the lines to be screwed on to the inlet/outlet of the compressor. Just in case anybody might stumble across them.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/07/15 04:45 AM

All I managed to do after work today was drive out the old bearing races and seat three of the four new ones. Yep, I screwed one up and will have to get a new one. The hubs cleaned up nicely and I did get the new wheel bearings packed with grease and into baggies. That's about it for today. I feel like I'm dragging a$$ on this thing, but it'll get done...THIS MONTH.

There, I wrote it...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/08/15 04:31 AM

Rained out this evening, plus, switching into a new phone then realizing I've lost all contact info with the outside world has me spending too much time trying to figure out how to get it all back...

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/09/15 04:06 PM

After struggling for far too long trying to force in the new lower front a-arm bushing, Jorge gave me a ride to Harbor Freight last night and I got the 20 ton press. We'll see who's boss now. But first, some Salt River tubing action.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/13/15 02:40 AM

Yeah, so I ended up ordering a new bushing for that control arm because it just got hopelessly stuck in the arm and I ended up tearing it up. I did get the one crooked race out of the hub and a new one pressed in, so I thought I'd unbox my rotors and bolt them one. One of them is a wrong part, however, and they were the last two of that particular brand from Rock Auto. They gave me credit for it but now I have to reorder one and it will be a different brand. Will it cause an issue? Hope not.

Painted some of the brake hardware in red caliper paint, at least the parts that will show from inside the wheel.

Pressed out one of the old upper ball joints, but I can't break loose the nuts on the ends of the shafts on the upper control arms so I can replace the shafts. I'll hit the areas with the MAP gas torch and give my impact gun another try. Hopefully they were just red loc-tighted in there.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/13/15 05:37 AM

Rock Auto is cool to deal with. They immediately gave me credit for the wrong rotor and I don't have to send it back. They also credited freight, so I ordered another one, and also ordered more parts. Since the new parts are coming from the same warehouse, it didn't add all that much to the total. I ordered a new front differential output seal for where the driver's side half shaft plugs in, because the old one has its inner spring hanging out of itself. I also added in caliper rebuild kits, and new disc brake hardware kits that include the metal brackets, slides and pins...pretty much everything that nobody replaces, usually. I think I spent less than $16 for all that.

I seem to be out of MAP gas, but I tried heating up one end of the control arm shaft fitting with propane and it still wouldn't come undone. I may have to take it to my preferred alignment shop to have them have a go at it with their big honking tools. Toasty said he has a fierce air gun, but he's way on the other side of town, so this may be easier.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/13/15 05:52 AM

Oh hey, I almost forgot, I need the ends of the a/c hoses that attach to the '90 Mighty Max's a/c compressor. They're different from a Montero's in that they attach directly instead of screwing onto a manifold. TIA

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/13/15 07:14 PM

I've got an impact wrench as well and I'm a lot closer to you than Adam is.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/14/15 02:24 PM

I've got an impact gun, and a pretty good one, too. Unless yours is something really special, I wouldn't expect any different results. These things are stuck tight.

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/14/15 11:59 PM

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Oh hey, I almost forgot, I need the ends of the a/c hoses that attach to the '90 Mighty Max's a/c compressor. They're different from a Montero's in that they attach directly instead of screwing onto a manifold. TIA

John B.


Is the hoses A/N or Bolt/and/O-ring on the compressor ...'Most' Mitsz's have a adapter bolted on to the compressor that can be changed to deal with the hoses ... I'm off to J-yard-X this weekend if I can help .. We have (or had) a 98 Full Monty with air locker up here too ...If its not been plundered .. Let me know ...

Captain Gear Box

Hazardous Toys inc

AZ Crew Mountain Division ... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />..
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/15/15 01:50 AM

HazT, both my new compressor and the one that came with the engine I got from you (the 2.4) have two holes where the hoses with their special ends plug in with an o-ring on the and a bolt holds each one in place. I've seen the parts break-down schematic and it shows the ends built right into the hoses. On Monteros there are manifolds that attach to the compressor and the hoses screw onto the manifolds - not so with these. Here's a link that shows the compressor:

Compressor Picture

That link also lists other vehicles that used that compressor. If you're going to a yard, could you have a look, please?

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/16/15 04:49 PM

Is the A/C comp on ...driver...pass..side ...?

And ..

We need hoses to come out of A/C comp...Out the...top...side...???

We got seven DOA Montys in J-Yard-X <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" /> if any contraband needs to be smugged south ..General JB..

Captain Gear Box

Hazardous Toys inc

AZ Crew Mountain Division... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />..
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/16/15 05:46 PM

The compressor is on the driver's side. The hoses come out of the side.

Did you see the link I posted?

John B.
Posted By: haztoys

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/16/15 07:48 PM

Yes on the link ... Its a 'three bolt' comp as in what the link shows ...right...

Junkyard-X has every DOA Mitzu known to man

But..A 2.4 truck ...

Soooo.. I have to do some digging ..But the three bolt comp is on a lot of Mitzu's and the 2.4 in a Monty has lots of room around it too.. I got you valley boys covered from the mountain above here.. No A/C in the 'Valley of the Sun' is not good .. Its been 95deg on the mountain here so you poor jokes in the valley must be cooking ... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/18/15 04:05 AM

HazT, negative on the "three-bolt." In that picture, which is misleading because the compressor is shown upside-down from the way it's mounted, the suction (inlet) and discharge (outlet) are shown on the lower left side of the picture. I'm not absolutely sure, but I think each of the two lines joins with one retainer bolt, and I believe they are separate. If they are coupled together, they would join with two retainer bolts. According to the Auto Zone site, this compressor was also used on '92 and '93 Monteros.

Along other lines, I was able to loosen the nuts that hold the upper control arm shafts today. The trick is to remove the zerks and use a loooong breaker bar while they are still bolted into the truck. I had to bolt the driver's side arm back in to get it, and I had to turn it upside down to get the front nut loose because there wasn't enough room to get the socket on with the breaker while it faced toward the front.

Installing the new shaft is pretty easy, but the shop manual is quite specific about getting the measurement of the relationship of the shaft's bolt holes that connect it to the frame as the measure from each end of the control arm. Each half-turn (180 degrees) of the shaft changes caster, and it does it by quite a bit. The easy way to get it right is with a micrometer/caliper, measuring from the edge of the bolt holes to the place on the control arm that the manual indicates, which is the outer edge of the hole in the arm. The measurements have to be as close to each other as is possible.

I still have to press in the new ball joint into that upper arm, but that looks pretty simple.

I'm still fighting the lower arm. The lower front bushing I screwed up doesn't want to come out. I have the new one to put in, though. Next time I'll use more soap and do it indoors so it doesn't dry out so fast while I'm working. I've never really had trouble with these before, so I guess it just wasn't as dry out the last times I've done it. Need to get this part done so I can reassemble the driver's side and get on with this.

Unrelated note, went tubing again yesterday and my tan is really coming along. The 'scenery' there is impressive.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/20/15 02:02 PM

I got the old bushing out of the lower arm (front bushing) and the new one pressed in. Got the ball joint bolted in but not torqued up yet. Got the upper arm fully assembled. The boot for the upper ball joint is a pain to get over the base of the upper ball joint I'll probably assemble everything and try to force it over the ball joint afterwards, when the air inside the boot is forced out by squishing it.

I reordered the driver's side differential seal, since the one I got was wrong. Looking at the assembly, it looks like there's a metal cap over the bushing itself. Anybody know what's up with that?

Ordered new pistons for the calipers. The caliper rebuild kits I have only have the boot, clip and seals. I've never rebuilt calipers before...I'm replacing the soft lines, too.

Getting closer to reassembling the driver's side!

John B.
Posted By: ryany

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/20/15 06:07 PM

Was there something wrong with the existing pistons?
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/21/15 01:41 AM

I dunno, haven't taken them out yet. If not, there's at least three other Gen 1 4 cylinders sitting around here that I'll have them ready for, just in case. They're cheap and coming from the same warehouse I needed other parts from, so no real increase in freight. The pistons have to come out to replace the piston seal, anyway, so if they're pitted I will have the replacements. If not, I'll probably reuse them.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/25/15 12:56 PM

The driver's side disc brake piston, at least, needed to be replaced, since it had a spot of scarring on it. Glad I got the new ones.

I have the driver's side put back together, with the exception of the caliper and the manual locking hub, so I have started in on the passenger side. I took out the lower arm yesterday and got as far as getting the front bushing out of the arm, and in the process, I broke my carriage bolt I was using to force the bushing out. Obviously I'll need to pick up a new one of those. Since I'm up to speed on what I'm doing, the second side should go quickly and I anticipate I'll get it done by this weekend.

Tried topping up the R-12 charge in Jorge's '89 yesterday. First, we put in a small can of oil charge, with 2 oz of R-12 and 2 oz of ester oil. That went in fine. Then, I added a can of (real) R-12 and his a/c got cold again, but when I undid the fill hose from the low side fitting, the valve stuck open and every single bit of refrigerant sprayed out. This was a major disappointment, to say the least. Now we'll have to vacuum out his system, empty out the compressor oil and convert it to R-134a. That sucks.

John B.
Posted By: monte3

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 08/30/15 05:44 PM

JB, if you need real R-12, it's available for $30 per can.
Just let me know.
BTW, you're refrigerator must be completly covered with Rock auto magnets by now! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/02/15 02:47 AM

$30 a can seems to be the going rate everywhere for R-12. That's what we got it for off Ebay.

It seems prudent at this point to convert an empty system to R-134a, since I can get 25lb bottles for something like $60. I have a couple of sets of conversion fittings, PAG oil and proper o-rings, my brother has a venturi-type vacuum and gauges and system components like fill valve cores, expansion valves and receiver/driers are cheap through Rock Auto. I can also get my hands on a charge scale to add the correct amount of R-134a (use 80% of specified R-12) by weight.

Speaking of Rock Auto, the magnets go on the back side of the front door. I have 39 right now, not counting a few duplicates.

John B.
Posted By: monte3

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/02/15 03:31 PM

JB, just be careful of the R-12 produced in Mexico.
"Is that real R-12, or Mexican R-12" (paraphrasing Frank Zappa)
I have 3 vehicles that still have a working R-12 system!
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/05/15 04:59 AM

It's real 'Merican R-12.

John B.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/19/15 11:19 PM

This '86 has been fighting me every inch of the way, but I'm getting the upper hand. I ended up getting rebuilt calipers, since the passenger side was all corroded inside and Jorge's truck needs one on the passenger side of his '83, so he can have my rebuilt one.

The nuts for the pass side upper a-arm shaft were a b!tch to re-install. the forward facing nut had to be torqued in with a breaker bar while I held down the control arm with a 4' pry bar, they were that tight threading into the arm. The shaft moves well, though.

I shredded another lower a-arm bushing, this time on the passenger side, and I even kind of messed up the replacement, but it's in and it'll have to do for now. Reassembly has begun and I hope to drive it, finally, within a day or two. I just have to get the passenger side stuff in (the steering stuff is already hanging there and done) and put on the rebuilt calipers on both sides.

So, when it's done, I'll have all new steering parts (everything), all new suspension bushings, except the lower rear bushings, all new ball joints, new brake rotors, pads and rebuilt calipers with new soft lines, new bearings, races and seals, new CV boots on replacement (not rebuilt) half shafts and new sway bar end links.

It better drive better than when I took it apart or I will be P!SSED! It's taken way too long, but the next one, Jorge's '89, will go much faster since we're all warmed up on the procedures. He's already ordered most of his parts...

John B.
Posted By: PA_JERO

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/21/15 06:38 PM

Can't wait to see that truck back on the road man. It's gonna be bad ass.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/29/15 11:53 AM

Finally got this vehicle back on the road. I eye-ligned the front end and took it to Crown King this past weekend without major issues. Found out that I have a 25% under-reporting speedometer now, due to the KM-148 swap, 33" tires and the old 3.9 gears. An indicated 60 mph means I'm really doing 75! And at 72 mph, I'm only turning 2750 RPM. I'll have to address this eventually, and I have a set of gears laying around here somewhere.

At some point on the way back, the shift linkage came unbolted and something flew away (haven't looked at it yet), so it sits in drive outside. The oil pan leaks pretty regularly, and I have a transmission leak from somewhere. The a/c isn't hooked up. But it tracks really nicely, the brakes are smooth and every thing we put in seems to have tightened it up well.

One pretty much down, more to go.

John B.
Posted By: TOASTY

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/29/15 11:44 PM

I have some linkage pieces, let me know when you figure out what's missing.
Posted By: JohnnyBfromPeoria

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/30/15 04:20 AM

I will, cool guy.

John B.
Posted By: PA_JERO

Re: On The 86 Montero Front End Rebuild - 09/30/15 05:54 AM

I have some linkage pieces as well if adam doesn't have what you need. Let me know.
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